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Can the mods rename this to the "Duplicate Thread Thread"?
I count 5 threads, so quintuplicate?

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Old 06-20-2016, 07:26 PM
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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most people aren't accustomed to looking at the shifter to confirm the gear it should be in.
How are conventional shifters any better in this respect? Can you honestly say that you know whether P, R, N or D is selected without looking at it?
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:26 PM
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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How are conventional shifters any better in this respect? Can you honestly say that you know whether P, R, N or D is selected without looking at it?

It stops for a reason when you push it 100% either direction because it hits the last gear available. In my jeep numerous times with my foot on the brake and push the shifter with force up only for it to pause in reverse or stop there completely.




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Old 06-20-2016, 11:03 PM
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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In my jeep numerous times with my foot on the brake and push the shifter with force up only for it to pause in reverse or stop there completely.
And that's why you should look at what it's doing, whether it be the Jeep or a conventional shifter.

Personally, I'd much prefer the old fashioned one. But the Jeep doesn't have it, so I adapt and learn how to correctly operate what it does have. It's not rocket science.

Here in Australia most cars have the turn signal stalk on the right side. But the Jeeps have it on the left. Again, we adapt to it. I have the Jeep and a Hyundai. Occasionally I hit the wipers (left side of steering wheel). But usually when I jump into the i30 I take a few seconds to orient myself. And it's also a 6 sp manual. No issues there, either.

Because this is what it gets down to - that cars can be different in the way that they're operated. And the driver HAS to be competant with whatever vehicle that he or she is driving. Otherwise mistakes happen and people can and do die because of it.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:08 AM
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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How are conventional shifters any better in this respect? Can you honestly say that you know whether P, R, N or D is selected without looking at it?
Absolutely. You don't even need to know which gear it is in first.

In my MY16, from any gear, press the button, pull all the way back to the stop, it is in drive without any question.

From any gear, press the button, all the way forward to the stop, its in park.

From D R N, don't press the button, push it forward all the way to the stop its in reverse.

For N, since its not against a stop, I'd look, though could pull to R or D and move 1 notch to hit N definitively without looking, but in normal usage I never need N and in the cases I would use it, I'd look to check anyway.
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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And that's why you should look at what it's doing, whether it be the Jeep or a conventional shifter.

Personally, I'd much prefer the old fashioned one. But the Jeep doesn't have it, so I adapt and learn how to correctly operate what it does have. It's not rocket science.

Because this is what it gets down to - that cars can be different in the way that they're operated. And the driver HAS to be competant with whatever vehicle that he or she is driving. Otherwise mistakes happen and people can and do die because of it.

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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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And that's why you should look at what it's doing, whether it be the Jeep or a conventional shifter.

Personally, I'd much prefer the old fashioned one. But the Jeep doesn't have it, so I adapt and learn how to correctly operate what it does have. It's not rocket science.

Here in Australia most cars have the turn signal stalk on the right side. But the Jeeps have it on the left. Again, we adapt to it. I have the Jeep and a Hyundai. Occasionally I hit the wipers (left side of steering wheel). But usually when I jump into the i30 I take a few seconds to orient myself. And it's also a 6 sp manual. No issues there, either.

Because this is what it gets down to - that cars can be different in the way that they're operated. And the driver HAS to be competant with whatever vehicle that he or she is driving. Otherwise mistakes happen and people can and do die because of it.
this is 'Merica ... it's someone else's fault here nowadays if a consumer changes their mind

adapt, pay attention, competent driver??? ... that's crazy talk, you're just talking crazy now.

this 'issue' has caused what, 1 (reported) incident for every ~27,000 vehicles out there? a 1/27,000 chance of having a problem = a 100% chance of having a problem (apparently)
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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adapt, pay attention, competent driver??? ... that's crazy talk, you're just talking crazy now.
Besides, I've just got too much on my mind, what with checking texts, eating a donut while juggling my coffee, and checking my hair in the rearview mirror. This damn car should know better and adapt to me!
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Idiot proof 2016
The above shifters are indeed idiot proof, until someone breeds a dumber idiot.
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