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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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agree, if it's a feature that the operator must select then FCA should be "protected"...
Don't we currently have a PARK feature that the operator must select prior to leaving the vehicle? Shouldn't that protect FCA?

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Don't we currently have a PARK feature that the operator must select prior to leaving the vehicle? Shouldn't that protect FCA?
Read the specific application and then the response
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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Read the specific application and then the response

I did read about the suggested application. My comment was to compare the original shifter problem where FCA should be protected if users don't place their vehicle in park vs. the user selected auto park disable suggestion that Silver max made, to which you suggested that FCA should be protected.
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I did read about the suggested application. My comment was to compare the original shifter problem where FCA should be protected if users don't place their vehicle in park vs. the user selected auto park disable suggestion that Silver max made, to which you suggested that FCA should be protected.
Huh? The narrow application discussed was being able to intentionally select a feature to have door open and in motion , which is not the current Park as u mentioned.
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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If you buy a Bugati, they could get away with a 'bad" shifter. A mass production car has to conform to the entire spectrum of consumers.
Or you can reject that the shifter is bad as a concept. Nothing is proof against the latest version of the idiot driver and its a combination of arrogance and tragically low expectations that makes us think we should solve for that.

Unfortunately, we're trolling ourselves when we invent things like Forward Collision Warning alert and advanced cruise control - systems that by their very nature are going to fail us tragically at some point. Ditto the 'check the back seat' warning mentioned above.

RIP trekkie dude and all the rest but unless that Jeep got uppity and magically shifted into gear and defeated the e-brake to kill him...let's entertain the notion that this was driver error and the tragic downside of a remnant of the notion of personal responsibility.
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

I'm with Whitie :

I've been driving for over 50 years and I won't bore you with all the different vehicles I've got my hands on. Our Kia gearchange is different than our Jeep but I don't have an issue with jumping in either and setting off. I was trained to set the parking brake when parked (manual trans) and also, more importantly, on a slope (both manual and auto), which virtually every manufacturer puts in their Owners manual.

So, once again, the lamestream media get it all wrong and are not in the least bit helpful. Sensationalism rules folks......!

Perhaps the media should inform the sheeple to get some good driver training, RTFM and take time to PROPERLY learn their vehicle before setting out.

It appears to be nothing else than a case of "pilot error" and nothing to do with the gearchange mechanism or "fly by wire" software. Just another case of nanny state b.s. - not my fault, everyone else is to blame!

Bah!!!
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

My wife has a MY13 Cadillac SRX which has a shifter similar to the GC MY12 version. She rarely drives my MY14, but when she does, she never has an issue with the shifter. The only issue she's ever had is accidentally engaging the paddle shifters when turning a corner.
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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I think you're on to something, I can see the lineup issue being an issue to some people.


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Main issue is that unless you hold your thumb on the button long enough to get all the way to park, you get R.

And if your feet are so overworked you can't hit the parking brake, you are at risk.


I'm still trying to figure out how you could be so sloppy as to get neutral, but then I take most news reports with a grain of salt anyway.
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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The fix is described on wk2jeeps.

As for that little card, too bad they don't give you something useful, say a roll of toilet paper with the message to use the freakin parking brake on each sheet.
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I did read about the suggested application. My comment was to compare the original shifter problem where FCA should be protected if users don't place their vehicle in park vs. the user selected auto park disable suggestion that Silver max made, to which you suggested that FCA should be protected.
You have a point, but then you are not a liability lawyer looking for money.
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Re: Shifter Confusion killed Anton Yelchin!!!

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... I'm still trying to figure out how you could be so sloppy as to get neutral, but then I take most news reports with a grain of salt anyway.
Move the shifter all the forward without engaging the button.
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You have a point, but then you are not a liability lawyer looking for money.
Glad to see someone got my point.
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