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Since this shifter recall is in place and no MY15 can be sold until its resolved, that means that in 6 months or more there are going to be a TON of low mileage MY2015 available. How hard of a hit will owners of the MY15 Grand Cherokee take on the value of our vehicles?

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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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Does nobody use there foot break in the USA?

I always use it. It is on before I even shift the vehicle into the parking gear. It doesn't change my thoughts on the shifter's design. The parking brake is a given.


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Yeah, when I first heard this news I thought 'oh no, bet its a GC'..... I'm surprised that leaving it in N on such a steep driveway he had time to get to the back of the car before it started rolling. As others have said, you notice straight away if it isn't in P, it will roll.
Same here thought it was a GC and now find it is! Can tell no human factors engineer was involved in design. It takes multiple motions to change gears. So frustrating. Can see confusion.

Would like to trade in my '15 and get '16 that has mechanical shifter.
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Would like to trade in my '15 and get '16 that has mechanical shifter.
At this point you might as well wait for the '17 to come out.
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Well from the responses on the various threads about this issue Jesse, it appears that whilst some do, many don't and thus make excuses for why they don't. Unbelievable but true from where you and I stand being that we see it as part of responsible operation of a vehicle.

I've just never known anyone (driven with anyone) that does not engage the park brake. Not ever and I doubt you would have either.

Automotive News reported on these stats today.
I'll generalize - few of people I know use parking break, including me. (I'm in USA.)
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At this point you might as well wait for the '17 to come out.
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Since this shifter recall is in place and no MY15 can be sold until its resolved, that means that in 6 months or more there are going to be a TON of low mileage MY2015 available. How hard of a hit will owners of the MY15 Grand Cherokee take on the value of our vehicles?
Why is Chrysler jeep taking so long to fix issue? I got the letter offering a workaround but that's it. Slow to move on issue!
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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so why did you buy it?
When you test drive a car for the first time all the moves you make are careful and deliberate so something like this doesn't show up as a flaw. Once you own it and drive it routinely familiar habits kick in, and then it becomes obvious and annoying. Fifty years of not having to look is a hard habit to break.

Love the vehicle as it is a great highway cruiser as well as a towing machine. Easily beat out Mercedes, VW et. al. which are the Summit's competitors. Outside of the shifter the ergo-metrics are fantastic with easy to use redundant controls all over. That fact makes the shifter more glaring.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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When you test drive a car for the first time all the moves you make are careful and deliberate so something like this doesn't show up as a flaw. Once you own it and drive it routinely familiar habits kick in, and then it becomes obvious and annoying. Fifty years of not having to look is a hard habit to break.

Love the vehicle as it is a great highway cruiser as well as a towing machine. Easily beat out Mercedes, VW et. al. which are the Summit's competitors. Outside of the shifter the ergo-metrics are fantastic with easy to use redundant controls all over. That fact makes the shifter more glaring.
you just described thousands of years of human innovation, and to go biological millions of years of evolution. Try a new design, works? it multiplies. Doesn't work, it dies.

this shifter was an innovation that has met with extinction. {T-rex probably wouldn't have been able to use it anyway with those tiny little T-rex arms }


I like it, but it is what it is - not super happy about the 'fix' proposed, but it seems to be a workable if imperfect solution. In fact the solution (driver's door open = park) may work for all the other manufacturers too given the number of people who 'forget to put it in park' regardless of shifter design. If that happens, then the 14/15 Jeep is an innovator again that added value to the gene pool and would therefore potentially retain resale value.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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new separate thread...TMZ reported it was a "5,000 Jeep Grand Cherokee".....bet it was a 14/15..eerily similar to the recall "issue"....I mean who intentionally leaves a car in N at the top of a hill when they intend to walk behind it? nobody...
I'd take reports that it was in neutral with a grain of salt.
The usual result is it is in reverse, not park.

Unfortunately the recall is somewhat lacking in detail as to what the resulting behavior will be. Either that or I need more coffee.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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In previous posts (on other threads) I raised the question how does the accident rate with this shifter compare to other shifters. Is it higher? Significantly higher? Or about the same and the shifter is the easy scapegoat? People hit the accelerator instead of the brake all the time and at first are 100% sure they were pressing the brake and blame it on the car only to later find out they were hitting the accelerator instead. Denial is a pretty powerful thing and blaming this shifter would be easy to do even if it was not the actual problem. The accident rate given the number of vehicles and number of trips doesn't seem high without something to compare it too.
Dan and Cowpig,

You guys have made your point over and over. BUT as this and other sites have shown it isn't a few people who have had this GC missed gear problem, its hundreds and hundreds. For everyone who says they have had a problem there are ten more who have experienced it and not said anything. If this shifter is problem free, why did Jeep change it in 2016? Answer that one.

Note the number of long time drivers who report the issue. There is likely an age difference behind some of this with boomers who didn't grow up playing joy stick video games and who don't text/tweet with their thumbs having more issues with this than gen X ers. That said we boomers can whip through the gears in a 4 speed while the Xers cannot even drive a stick. We are all different, so respect that difference. Judge Not Lest You Be Judged!
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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I'll generalize - few of people I know use parking break, including me. (I'm in USA.)
This. I also use the parking brake all the TIME. Don't stress you trany resting all the weight on just P.
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