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Old 06-21-2016, 03:20 PM
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

I remind folks that this is a community, not a street fight. Opinions are great and like certain body parts, everyone has one but doesn't have to emulate the dirty side of things. Please express your opinion clearly, but without berating others who don't show it. It would be a shame to have to shut off the discussion or spend hours picking and choosing posts to send to the bit bucket...

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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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Exactly.

I'm over half a century old & have never encountered an automatic transmission shifter this unintuitive. It isn't a "bad" design overall. But it is a step in the Wrong Direction IMHO.


Dan and Cowpig seems to refuse to accept the FACT that FCA acknowledged a problem with these shifters. It was FCA that issued the safety recall & stopped all sales. It was FCA that changed the design on the 2016+ vehicles.

I don't think that is a fair assessment of what I have written. I have written very balanced posts if you care to read them all. I do point out I like the shifter and that the accident rate may or may not be out of norm. FCA is enhancing awareness of what gear you are in and potentially auto in park with door open (don't know if that will be or not) and that's a good thing for many people. The shifter works as designed but a lot of people seem to not like it so they changed it in 2016 due to customer feedback.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

Dan, I think you may have been spot-on when you earlier mentioned that the shifter on the MY14-15, while looking like previous (and subsequent) versions, basically operated differently and that could be related to whatever the real number of folks who have experienced issues happens to be. While I'm sure that I could have/would have adapted to it, all my experience over the decades has been with the conventional detents and shifter actions on vehicles that featured some form of "stick" shifter on the console. I can see how "in the moment" someone might miss something. I do hope that the programing adjustments in the "fix" mitigate things...so we can go back to just complaining about bad color choices and lack of a la carté customizability. Oh, and defending/vilifying QuadraLift. LOL
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

Here is a good article on the new gear shifters that are out in the market and the confusion it is causing to some.

Why car gear shifters are so confusing - Jun. 21, 2016

I do admit when I had to drive a friend's Range Rover a few years ago I couldn't even find where to insert the key and of course some cars have window buttons in the most awkward places. If you have rented various vehicles you gotta get the lay of the land first before taking off as there are many designs out there.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

The news says Yechlin's jeep was in neutral, maybe there mistaken and it was really in reverse idk but if it was in reverse and the hill he was on had a grade of 6% or greater hill start assist / hill hold would have kept the jeep from going anywhere for about 5 seconds. Just long enough to get out and start walking towards the rear of the vehicle. I'm not saying the shifters not at fault cause it certainly started the motions but not the only factor.
The shifter always works if I'm careful and deliberate
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The news says Yechlin's jeep was in neutral, maybe there mistaken and it was really in reverse idk but if it was in reverse and the hill he was on had a grade of 6% or greater hill start assist / hill hold would have kept the jeep from going anywhere for about 5 seconds. Just long enough to get out and start walking towards the rear of the vehicle. I'm not saying the shifters not at fault cause it certainly started the motions but not the only factor.
The shifter always works if I'm careful and deliberate

Does hill assist work in N or the vehicle has to be in D? I don't believe hill assist works in N on my X5.


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Does hill assist work in N or the vehicle has to be in D? I don't believe hill assist works in N on my X5.


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The news says Yechlin's jeep was in neutral, maybe there mistaken and it was really in reverse idk but if it was in reverse and the hill he was on had a grade of 6% or greater hill start assist / hill hold would have kept the jeep from going anywhere for about 5 seconds. Just long enough to get out and start walking towards the rear of the vehicle. I'm not saying the shifters not at fault cause it certainly started the motions but not the only factor.
The shifter always works if I'm careful and deliberate
Looks like I need to correct myself hill start assist will NOT hold the vehicle in reverse while facing uphill. Sorry for any confusion. I'll go away quietly
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This might just be the fix:
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I'm actually sort of good with that. No abstract modifications to the car… Solves the problem…. I'm not sure why the car didn't come with that in the first place. I guess 2020 hindsight is the cheapest form of hindsight there is.

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yes, and I'll continue to make the point. I'm not an x'er, I have driven all sorts of vehicles to include manual trans fire trucks and vehicles with PTO's etc. I haven't played a damn video game in about 15+ years, text only for work, and haven't ever logged on to twitter



just because you, and maybe a "few hundred" (hell, up it to a few thousand) have had a problem whether reported or not doesn't make it a real problem. Why did FCA change in 2016? Why does any product manufacturer change anything - again, its all about innovation and trying to sell more products. They tried this shifter, apparently even though they sold 1.1million it wasn't considered a sales boost so they returned to the old style for 16.



why is my making the opposing point 'not respecting your difference'? I'd say you telling me not to make the opposing point is not respecting my difference of opinion - the shifter is fine, the fix sounds okay too, and in fact now that I hear how it'll work I can see every other manufacturer doing the same thing (if driver is belted into the seat and opens the door nothing, if driver is unbelted and opens the door it auto-shifts to park). That would help solve all the other designs that fail simply because the driver is a moron and doesn't put it in park.



"judge not lest ye be judged"? so you don't believe in our entire legal system either?


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