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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

Appears to be an "elegant" fix by FCA but, once again, we see the "Nanny State" (aka Lawyers/Government) at work .

However, IMHO, trying to protect people from themselves is somewhat of a Sysiphian task.......

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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

From what I've read it seems there are two issues, one being more of a "user error" the other being of software glitch. First the user error of which I think is Anton's case, he failed to confirm that the shifter was in the correct gear before exiting the vehicle with engine on. The 2nd issue I've read there have been instances where no one was in the vehicle and it was off and it started rolling or moving and hit another car etc.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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Appears to be an "elegant" fix by FCA but, once again, we see the "Nanny State" (aka Lawyers/Government) at work .

However, IMHO, trying to protect people from themselves is somewhat of a Sysiphian task.......


Airbags, seatbelts, car insurance, steelbelted radial's, invention of the wheel, the FDA, all good ideas. I for one look forward to receiving the update to a car that as I previously mentioned had this issue and cost me a grand. Operator error in my case? Certainly-car was a week old I missed park. In 35 years of previous driving however I have never missed park.
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Old 06-22-2016, 02:22 PM
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

I like the idea of the short throw shifter. Too bad the implementation was not too obvious and solid in feel. I too have missed putting in P and instead went into R, twice, despite solidly placing the indent all the way forward.

You really have to take the time to place it in there and can't shift into it hastily despite the tactile feedback you have gone past a few indents.

And this scenario isn't ideal when parallel parking in a tight spot.

So unfortunately you can't rely on the tactile feedback because of it's poor implementation despite an awesome short throw shifter. They should have fixed that first and foremost than another patch of software.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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From what I've read it seems there are two issues, one being more of a "user error" the other being of software glitch. First the user error of which I think is Anton's case, he failed to confirm that the shifter was in the correct gear before exiting the vehicle with engine on. The 2nd issue I've read there have been instances where no one was in the vehicle and it was off and it started rolling or moving and hit another car etc.
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Please note that these are simply reports to NHTSA by the party involved and NOT verified by NHTSA or independent investigations. IMHO, most all are user errors (vehicle running down the hill....where's your damn parking brake idiot!!!) but I would be interested to see the result of an independent investigation into those particular problems together with some serious data. Being switch/software controlled, NHTSA could run lengthy tests and also dig into the code, which I am sure FCA did but the FCA lawyers are always looking over the corporate shoulder. In fact, in the FCA letter it does state that it is a user issue.......in a way, it's like the old VCR joke about a few folks not figuring out how to change the time, so they would watch the VCR flash 12:00 all the time. Just RTFM and learn how to do it.....duh!

And, let's face it, how many would report to NHTSA that they couldn't remember what gear they were in when they parked up and left or that they were in a hurry to exit the car etc...etc...
Simply blame the vehicle/manufacturer (or someone else) and that way there could be a possibility of receiving compensation of some sort .

Personally, I think it is much ado about nothing and simply the case that most people don't RTFM and/or are inattentive drivers. I test drove the car and found nothing wrong with utilizing this particular shifter mechanism and after 30k plus miles still do not. And it appears I am not the only one with this opinion.
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Needed a new Jeep. Didn't see it as a problem at the time. Let me ask you this my friend. Do you own one yourself? And if you do - have you had a problem? And if you don'tÖ Then why are you so full of advice? And why are we so lucky to receive it from you? The kid died. It's a known problem. It's not an obvious problem when you buy it, but it's a known problem that many people have apparently had. Have you? I have. Cost me a grand. That's why I posted here. No other reason. In 35 years of driving I had never left the car "in gear" until this one. It's also very easy to knock it into gear or out of gear while driving. Give it a try next time you're going down the road and tell me it's not so.


Happened to me on the Bruce, with my parents and wife, just brought my left leg up and the thing knocked into neutral, had to allow it to coast to stop to re-engage drive.
I too have (nothing close to 50 yrs) 20 yrs of driving stick to autos (but no rotary dial ones ) never have I ever had a problem where the car was ever left in any other gear than the one intended. Lo and behold put this thing (MY14) in park at a local mall, open the door and feel the car lurch back, realised the car hadn't gone to park but stayed in reverse, but due to the dip between the parking spot and the pavement the car was "gripped" and never moved back quickly, the only thing I know I did differently is that one needs to hold it up for a few seconds longer for it to move and stay up in park, a quick shift up and leave can engage neutral or reverse.

And for the sake of argument, yes I should engage the parking brake

(I have had the MY14 for 4 months shy of 3yrs)
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

Went to see the latest Bourne movie last night, they showed close ups of the shifter in the Charger, changing from D to R to D during the car chase. If you are Jason Bourne it is no problem
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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Personally, I think it is much ado about nothing and simply the case that most people don't RTFM and/or are inattentive drivers. I test drove the car and found nothing wrong with utilizing this particular shifter mechanism and after 30k plus miles still do not. And it appears I am not the only one with this opinion.
No. The Shifter is Poorly Designed.

I have no problem putting the vehicle into Park. But sometimes despite moving the shifter all the way forward, the transmission will fail to go into Park. I've always noticed when this happens and correct the issue by using more force (sometimes a LOT more force) to force it into Park.

But that is not my primary problem with the Shifter. My issue is the Transition from Drive to Reverse.

Because of the POOR DESIGN, it is possible for someone to use Too Much Force, and Accidentally go from Drive Into Park. It is also possible for someone to use Too Little Force, and end up in Neutral instead of Reverse.

And THAT is a POOR DESIGN.

In a Properly Designed Shifter, there should be NO way that using Too Much Force, or Too Little, could result in ending up in the Wrong Gear.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

The FCA shifter is a dog. I have owned a lot of cars over a very long time and I never had as many missed shifts into the wrong range in an AT as the JGC. This didn't have to happen. With my other cars, I just push the lever forward until it stops. I can feel the detents and I know by feel when it is park. With this thing, I never know if is in park unless I look at the dash and confirm the range visually. I had the recall done and it's pretty clear it does not do anything with the shifter itself. It is still as vague as ever. In fact yesterday while on a hill in my driveway I thought I was in in park, and when I looked at the dash I was in reverse. I didn't open the door to test the fix. I need to do that. The other problem is that my wife is always putting the AT into sport mode by mistake. With my BMW you can only go into sport mode, by pulling the lever toward the driver. Why FCA came up with a backward pull on the lever to go into sport mode is beyond me.
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