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Just imagine if he bought after 4/27/16 NHTSA stop-sale order went into effect....
Or a rental AFTER that date.....

Given the steep slope of that driveway, how could he have NOT known it wasn't in park before getting all the way in front or back of it? There is a video camera on his house so we may know more soon.
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Or a rental AFTER that date.....

Given the steep slope of that driveway, how could he have NOT known it wasn't in park before getting all the way in front or back of it? There is a video camera on his house so we may know more soon.
we don't know exactly where the vehicle was on the crest/top of hill...an inch or two near enough crest to sit still for a few seconds as he got out, obviously thinking it was in P, but then gravity took it...no way he got out of a rolling rig so this is a pretty safe assumption...of course the video will show any lag from exit to roll away...again, this all about the driver "thinking" it's in P....
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

Reading between the lines of the tsb, I'd guess the tranny auto shifts into park when the driver door opens after the recall is performed. I'm sure there will be plenty of bitching about that. Honestly, I've never had a problem with the shifter, and I like the way it operates. I've operated a lot of heavy equipment over the years that is fly by wire. It's something you have to get used to the feel of to be comfortable. Down the road we're going to see a lot more of this. The '16 is also fly by wire, but with an analog feel. Maybe that will be the solution. I'm sure all the lawyers will be happy as hell to start suing everyone with deep pockets over this. It's sad there have been injuries and death, but this sort of thing happens every day with all sorts of devices.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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There's a distinct difference between forgetting to put it in park and the shifter not being intuitive to put into park. That's the argument being made.

By forgetting to put it into park it's just stupidity and 100% user error. The issue with the shifter is it isn't intuitive to do so and even sometimes it doesn't respond to being put in park.
I would say it's worse knowingly shifting the trans to park, and then getting out with it not being in park v. forgetting completely

this is the first i've heard that people have put it in park, verified it's in park, and it wasn't in fact in park and the vehicle moved - all I've seen thus far is people not verifying and the trans was not actually in "P"

mine is obvious, push it forward and it goes into park. The indicator on the dash shows it's in Park. The shifter itself lights up "P". And as I already posted the photo of the dash display, if not in "park" when you open the door the vehicle even tells you - I'm not in park. Short of putting a trunk monkey in to slap you in the back of the head, not sure what else people want (other than to not be responsible for themselves ... someone else take care of me syndrome)

again, would I say it's the best innovation for a trans *shifter* designed? no, but neither do I think it's in of itself 'dangerous'

People need to stay engaged when operating a potentially deadly weapon until their finger is off the trigger and the weapon is holstered or rendered safe (my .02)

dunno, maybe I'm just too damn happy with my new jeep
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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This error from my since bought back '14 Summit was always my #fave... Engine won't shut off (not even holding the 'Start' button), shitty shifter won't go into Park. My solution, set the parking brake and leave it running.


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Reading between the lines of the tsb, I'd guess the tranny auto shifts into park when the driver door opens after the recall is performed. I'm sure there will be plenty of bitching about that. Honestly, I've never had a problem with the shifter, and I like the way it operates. I've operated a lot of heavy equipment over the years that is fly by wire. It's something you have to get used to the feel of to be comfortable. Down the road we're going to see a lot more of this. The '16 is also fly by wire, but with an analog feel. Maybe that will be the solution. I'm sure all the lawyers will be happy as hell to start suing everyone with deep pockets over this. It's sad there have been injuries and death, but this sort of thing happens every day with all sorts of devices.
I agree, I want to see what they change before applying this recall fix as I have had no problems with how the vehicle shifts and operates and would hate to have some additional "safety" feature added that's an annoyance.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

that's my concern, is some 'nanny-state' fix to a non-real problem that makes it a pita to drive. I just turned off the stupid seatbelt chime ... I always wear mine except in bad areas or parking lots where it's tactically unsound to be trapped. Regardless, I don't need my car telling me what to do

i wouldn't mind tying park to the driver's seat sensor from the airbags - seat senses nobody's there, goes to park (same as how the passenger seat works / disables airbags if the occupant is too light etc)

I do occasionally open the driver's door in motion if weather is nasty and I want to dump out a cup of soda etc, would hate to suddenly get slammed into park if I forget (just because some people were too stupid to make sure they were in park)
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Maybe in lieu of getting the recall, Jeep will offer MY14/15 owners a steep discount on a 2017....I can dream, cant I?
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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Honestly, I've never had a problem with the shifter, and I like the way it operates. I've operated a lot of heavy equipment over the years that is fly by wire. It's something you have to get used to the feel of to be comfortable.
I think this is the crux of it. I only drove the Jeep intermittently, my wife drove it almost exclusively as her vehicle. For me coming out of my Lexus with a normal gated shifter I struggled with it, she didn't have an issue. The poster above me, his girlfriend has no issue (its her vehicle) but he does when he drives it sometimes.

My guess is that Anton being a fairly wealthy actor had multiple vehicles and likely didn't drive this Jeep exclusively.

But, with that said a vehicle has to be intuitive for everyone to operate safely not just those who drive it all the time.

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The '16 is also fly by wire, but with an analog feel.
Most modern cars are, the transmission shifter is just a switch, it just still operates mechanically in most vehicles. Its not connected to any linkage.

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this is the first i've heard that people have put it in park, verified it's in park, and it wasn't in fact in park and the vehicle moved - all I've seen thus far is people not verifying and the trans was not actually in "P"
It hasn't been verified in this situation, the gauge cluster says the gear its in accurately, its the drivers expectation that they've put the car in park when they actually haven't. I'm able to put my cars with traditional shifters into park and reverse and drive without having to look at the gauge cluster to confirm the gear.
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Re: Shifter confusion --- not just GC 14/15???

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Maybe in lieu of getting the recall, Jeep will offer MY14/15 owners a steep discount on a 2017....I can dream, cant I?


Lol take back lease & financed vehicles and offer a discount on 17's. That would be an awesome move from jeep.

Hey you never know, now that someone famous passed away (r.i.p) maybe they will swing something.
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