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Let's not decide who I should call idiots. I don't have to look at the shifter to see what gear I'm in. It's not hard at all, especially if you've been driving 45 gears. Surely you'd know how a gear shift functions. I seriously don't understand how people can't get it.
Do you even own a '14 or '15 JGC? This is the first vehicle that I have ever driven where the gear I am in cannot be ascertained seeing or feeling the position of the control. With my eyes closed, in every vehicle I ever been in, I could tell what gear I was in. I believe the biggest problem is with those that are not used to driving a car that does not have a mechanical transmission lever. Occasional drivers, like people renting JGCs and valets are most at risk. Within the first week of driving a JGC you knew this transmission lever was unlike anything you had used before. 45 years of driving never taught you about a shift lever like this. An F1 driver is used to only having paddle shifters. I have driven a lot of 5 speed manuals, I still can't get used to paddle shifters. Give me a clutch and a Stick, I'm good.

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Old 04-23-2016, 03:22 PM
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No, it does not. Sometimes it "fights back"... you can hold it as far forward as it will go mechanically and it will refuse to shift into park. I have held it forward for up to 5 seconds at a time when it gets uppity, pressing very hard just to prove a point. You have to let the shifter go and try again.
This is true.
This has happened to me as well. But, I think if I hold it all the way for another second it eventually goes to park.

One time when my JGC was very new, I left the car quickly with my keys, and the car was in park, but I forgot to hit the other button. My car ran for several hours, before I came back to it. I was at an F1 race where it was loud or I probably would have heard it. I have not made that mistake again.
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"As part of the recall, Fiat Chrysler said it would enhance the warnings and add a transmission-shift strategy to automatically prevent a vehicle from moving, under certain circumstances, even if the driver fails to select "park," the company said."
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And From Gear shift confusion causes Chrysler recall - Apr. 22, 2016, (the CNN link above.)

The changes will automatically prevent the vehicle from moving under certain circumstances even if the driver doesn't select Park. Fiat Chrysler will notify owners of vehicles involved in the recall and will do the repairs at no cost to owners.
This is pretty clear of the result of the fix. I was told newer cars automatically deploy the electronic emergency brake when the door opens. Is it true the '16s do this? A guy in my Jeep Dealer's Service Dept. told me this. I didn't even know an electronic emergency brake was added to the Wk2.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

I hate to say it, but this recall is a good thing. My wife hardly drives my jeep, but this just happened to us the other day. She didn't realize that it was NOT in park, and the car rolled out of the driveway. Luckily no injuries or damage. The shifter is not intuitive to people who don't use this car regularly.
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This has happened to me as well. But, I think if I hold it all the way for another second it eventually goes to park.
Exactly how many seconds of pushing the shifter forward should be required in order to shift into park? 6 seconds? 30? As I said, I have waited up to 5 seconds with the shifter pressed fully forward while it refuses to shift. And trust me, I'm pushing very hard in this scenario because I'm angry with the shifter when it does this.

Maybe I'll try to make a 45 second video next occurrence, because in this scenario I don't think it will ever shift until it's released and pressed again. This, and other issues that have been described, are simply not a problem with a shifter that has mechanical designation for gear selection.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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One time when my JGC was very new, I left the car quickly with my keys, and the car was in park, but I forgot to hit the other button. My car ran for several hours, before I came back to it. I was at an F1 race where it was loud or I probably would have heard it. I have not made that mistake again.
Idling your brand new car for several hours....now thats how you break in a new engine lol I know I know it was a mistake, just giving you a hard time.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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The real issue here isn't that "people are idiots" or "folks don't pay attention" so much as there is clearly an intuitive issue with that version of the shifter. Yes, some folks "get it", but way too many don't. That's why there's a recall.
Count me as a I don't get it. As I have posted before, I do not understand how people exit their vehicle without the park brake engaged. Is it only Australia that beats that into your head before you get a license?

I see it in American television and movies all the time - driver puts car in park, turns off, and gets out whilst the vehicle makes a slight jerk in the transmission slack. No park brake applied. Seriously I don't get it... even if you are stepping out of the vehicle to just pick up a spec of dust you still apply the park brake, it's like selecting a gear it's simply the way you drive a car...?!

Furthermore there's alarms that already go off if you open the door while in gear, can't believet Hats not sufficient.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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Count me as a I don't get it. Is it only Australia that beats that into your head before you get a license?

More likely than not - Yes. In the 25 odds years of plying the roads, byways, highways and interstates of the great American frontier, the only time a parking brake is usually applied is if you are parking on a hill, or if your driving a manual transmission. Sadly, the manual is fast becoming a rarity, as is the occurrence in which some actually applies the parking break.
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Count me as a I don't get it. As I have posted before, I do not understand how people exit their vehicle without the park brake engaged. Is it only Australia that beats that into your head before you get a license?

I see it in American television and movies all the time - driver puts car in park, turns off, and gets out whilst the vehicle makes a slight jerk in the transmission slack. No park brake applied. Seriously I don't get it... even if you are stepping out of the vehicle to just pick up a spec of dust you still apply the park brake, it's like selecting a gear it's simply the way you drive a car...?!

Furthermore there's alarms that already go off if you open the door while in gear, can't believet Hats not sufficient.
That probably has more to do with the younger generation growing up with automatic transmissions. The use of a parking brake was more prevalent when people were still driving manuals.

Did you also happen to notice on American TV and movies that when exiting the vehicle they very rarely have the windows up and never lock the doors... and this is in cities like LA and NYC?

Don't believe everything you see on your TV.
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Exactly how many seconds of pushing the shifter forward should be required in order to shift into park? 6 seconds? 30? As I said, I have waited up to 5 seconds with the shifter pressed fully forward while it refuses to shift. And trust me, I'm pushing very hard in this scenario because I'm angry with the shifter when it does this.

Maybe I'll try to make a 45 second video next occurrence, because in this scenario I don't think it will ever shift until it's released and pressed again. This, and other issues that have been described, are simply not a problem with a shifter that has mechanical designation for gear selection.
Sorry, I should have read your post more carefully. It's been awhile since this has happened to me. My memory might be a bit sketchy. I assume that I have just gotten used to the shifter after 40k+ miles. I definitely remember having it pushed all the way forward and it not being in park before.

Sometimes, I don't even bother to put it into park at all and just hold down the off button. When the Transfer case is in neutral, this is the only way to put it into park. (for flat towing)
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Count me as a I don't get it. As I have posted before, I do not understand how people exit their vehicle without the park brake engaged. Is it only Australia that beats that into your head before you get a license?

I see it in American television and movies all the time - driver puts car in park, turns off, and gets out whilst the vehicle makes a slight jerk in the transmission slack. No park brake applied. Seriously I don't get it... even if you are stepping out of the vehicle to just pick up a spec of dust you still apply the park brake, it's like selecting a gear it's simply the way you drive a car...?!

Furthermore there's alarms that already go off if you open the door while in gear, can't believet Hats not sufficient.
A lot of the U.S. is flat. It is rare when I park on an incline. The only time I put the parking brake on with an automatic transmission is when I'm on an incline.

With a standard Transmission I always left the transmission in neutral with the parking brake on. But, most people that drove standards tended to leave the car in gear with no brake. When I borrowed a car, this caused a problem because, in my car, I would turn the key without my foot on the clutch. I suppose, if I grew up where there were lots of hills, I might have the habit of always applying the emergency brake.
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Do you even own a '14 or '15 JGC? This is the first vehicle that I have ever driven where the gear I am in cannot be ascertained seeing or feeling the position of the control. With my eyes closed, in every vehicle I ever been in, I could tell what gear I was in. I believe the biggest problem is with those that are not used to driving a car that does not have a mechanical transmission lever. Occasional drivers, like people renting JGCs and valets are most at risk. Within the first week of driving a JGC you knew this transmission lever was unlike anything you had used before. 45 years of driving never taught you about a shift lever like this. An F1 driver is used to only having paddle shifters. I have driven a lot of 5 speed manuals, I still can't get used to paddle shifters. Give me a clutch and a Stick, I'm good.

No, you're right. I don't even own a 14 or 15. I guess I'm just commenting on how I imagine it would work based on pictures I have seen.
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