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Old 04-26-2016, 05:45 PM
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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About a month or so ago with all the discussion about the shifters, I paid attention to how I was using the shifter and realized I don't look at it or at the dash and do it all by feel including parallel parking, 3-point turns, etc. without any problems and hitting the correct gear every time. So for me it has become intuitive just like my shifter in the 2011 and prior years. So it can be done and I don't understand the comments about having to hold it in park, that it fights back, etc. etc. etc. as that has never been my experience at all.

With all of that said, I do welcome the safety enhancement for occasional drivers and valets. People make mistakes so why not make it more foolproof with a simple software update.
I couldn't agree more. I don't understand those saying you can't tell what gear it is in without looking at it. You can FEEL a physical bump in the gear shifter every time it changes to a different gear, and there are only 4 positions. You can tell what gear you are in just from feeling the bumps and not looking at anything.

That said, I do realize that the majority of problems are likely with guest drivers and not the daily drivers of the vehicle, that's why I never let someone drive my jeep without explaining all of the new tech it has. My father-in-law calls it a cockpit and compares driving it to flying a new jet! lol

I love this shifter and think it's a shame they scraped it completely. The biggest loss in going back to the old shifter style is the ability to pop it in and out of sport mode with a quick flick to shifter. I use this feature all the time, and is especially useful in situations where you need to decide in a split second to accelerate quickly. I absolutely love my '14 and am glad I never planned to trade it in quickly.

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Re: Shifter recall coming

I don't have a problem with the shifter. That doesn't mean it's not fiddly, I just don't have a problem with it. It was funny, when we bought my wife's new Cadillac, I went to use it's shifter -- which is a conventional, every day hump mounted "mechanical" automatic, and I went "what is this clunky thing?". I thought that was kind of amusing.

My area is flat as a board, and I use my emergency brake. I apply my regular brake, apply the emergency brake, release the main brake and let the emergency brake take up the slack, then shift in to park. It's all pretty fluid.

I wouldn't want to be having to perform bootlegger reverse turns while being per sued with it, and yea, I glance at the shifter -- it's all routine now.
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Old 04-27-2016, 07:33 AM
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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That said, I do realize that the majority of problems are likely with guest drivers and not the daily drivers of the vehicle, that's why I never let someone drive my jeep without explaining all of the new tech it has. My father-in-law calls it a cockpit and compares driving it to flying a new jet! lol
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My gramps calls my GC a 787 without wings haha. They just bought a Patriot, and wanted a completely base one - no tech at all. The sales guy brought up one with the touchscreen for them to test drive and he had a fit - hated it right off the bat, without even getting in. He hates all the tech in my GC.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

I apologize if this has been mentioned earlier, but why didn't Jeep implement an opening of door interlock for the transmission?

My Mercedes has a "fly-by-wire" gear selector as well (column mounted), and at a full stop while in gear, as soon as I open the driver's door, the transmission automatically goes into Park.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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I apologize if this has been mentioned earlier, but why didn't Jeep implement an opening of door interlock for the transmission?

My Mercedes has a "fly-by-wire" gear selector as well (column mounted), and at a full stop while in gear, as soon as I open the driver's door, the transmission automatically goes into Park.
And that's the beauty of Mercedes (and BMW, Audi, etc). If Merc still owned Chrysler, we'd probably have that instead of the Fiat/Chrysler "version".
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Re: Shifter recall coming

I love the folks in here calling people idiots, b/c those people don't like how a shifter works, or have said they have missed gears. I especially like it from someone who has no experience with the shifter at all.

The shifter looks good and seems more "high" end. It's functionality compared to gated shifter however lacks, there is no doubt about that.

Every day I park my car at the train station and I back it into the spot. This has me turning into the lot and shifting from drive to reverse to back it in. Many days I do not give myself a ton of time to get to the train station so in my haste to shift from drive to reverse I'll overshoot and go to park, or I'll undershoot and end up in neutral. Now, you can say I'm an idiot, and you can say I need to give myself more time in the morning to catch my train. Those are both true statements, but what I can say in return is that this has never happened to me when I've done this same activity in 2 other cars in the time I've been parking in that lot. Those 2 other cars had gated shifters.

I'm not saying there isn't user error happening and I'm not saying all the blame goes to FCA on this, but I am saying that the design of this shifter is flawed, and apparently they and the NHTSA agree.
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I especially like it from someone who has no experience with the shifter at all.
I'm assuming you are referring to me. That was sarcasm in my post because someone asked the idiotic question of if I even own one. Lmao... Yes I own a 2015 with 15k miles and I've put 50k miles on the 2014 I had prior. So I'm VERY familiar with the shifter. It's quite simple.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

One thing that is goofy though, is that when in neutral ( like in being propelled thru a car wash...) you have to brake to pull it into drive. People really love that when you are at the end of the car wash and have to physically stop the car in the line of all the cars coming off, just so you can move ahead... That is aggravating...
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One thing that is goofy though, is that when in neutral ( like in being propelled thru a car wash...) you have to brake to pull it into drive. People really love that when you are at the end of the car wash and have to physically stop the car in the line of all the cars coming off, just so you can move ahead... That is aggravating...
Wash your own car. Case closed.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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I'm assuming you are referring to me. That was sarcasm in my post because someone asked the idiotic question of if I even own one. Lmao... Yes I own a 2015 with 15k miles and I've put 50k miles on the 2014 I had prior. So I'm VERY familiar with the shifter. It's quite simple.
Okay then that is my over site.

It's not that the shifter is complicated. It's a bad design, functionally speaking. As I've said before I like how it looks, but it does not work as well as a gated shifter. That doesn't make everyone who agrees with that an idiot.
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No that doesn't make them an idiot. I do believe that some shifters aren't functioning properly... It's an electronic. They always malfunction now and then. My wife claims ours has too but I've never experienced it before.
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Re: Shifter recall coming

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One thing that is goofy though, is that when in neutral ( like in being propelled thru a car wash...) you have to brake to pull it into drive. People really love that when you are at the end of the car wash and have to physically stop the car in the line of all the cars coming off, just so you can move ahead... That is aggravating...
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Wash your own car. Case closed.
I'd love to go to a manual carwash like I used to (I could get 20 minutes for $7-$8), but they're all gone from my area. So I go to the automatic "$3 carwash" and get the $12 wash.

What Stbentoak said is the same problem I did not have with the mechanical shifter in my 2013. I could just go from N to D without the brake. No problem. I wasn't going to do a neutral torque start or anything.

Now with the 2015, I have to press the brake, and if it's feeling temperamental I have to bump the shifter twice to get it to go into D.

It could be an issue of lag, where you have to have the brake pedal pressed for 2 seconds(ish) before the shift will occur.

Either way, it's a crappy system applied to a good idea.
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