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This is what I'm going to do as well. My recall notice went into the can. I simply do not want them screwing with my vehicle to "fix" a non existent problem. There is NOTHING mechanically wrong with this shifter. The "problem" as it appears, is that the bulk of the people who are having difficulty using it, are either so dumbed down, or else just plain too careless in order to operate it correctly.

Let's be honest here. How hard is it to move a lever until the letter "P" lights up on it before you take your hand off of it? While at the same time double checking by moving your eyeballs to the instrument panel to make sure it say's "P" also, before taking your foot off the brake pedal.

The only problem I'm seeing with this shifter, is the fact Chrysler Jeep engineers made the mistake of thinking the average purchaser of their vehicles actually possessed some common sense. They have found out the hard way, common sense isn't always so common. The recall was and is unnecessary. This may sound cruel, but they should simply let Darwin work as intended. However, lawyers in this country would not let that be possible, without bankrupting Jeep in the process.
I agree with you on that and I don't have any issue with the shifter myself other than maybe missing R in a panic situation once in a while which this recall will do nothing for. The only reason I'm really doing the recall is that if I were to loan the jeep to a family member to drive who would be unfamiliar with it and maybe doesn't pay attention as well as they should I still wont want them squished if there is a preventative to help them in the right direction lol. But will see how the recall goes I could come back with a shit load of electrical gremlins this GC has been famous for and regret having it done will see. But in the mean time I have their v8 RAM truck to RAM around in today lol.

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Old 07-01-2016, 04:00 PM
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I agree with you on that and I don't have any issue with the shifter myself other than maybe missing R in a panic situation once in a while which this recall will do nothing for. The only reason I'm really doing the recall is that if I were to loan the jeep to a family member to drive who would be unfamiliar with it and maybe doesn't pay attention as well as they should I still wont want them squished if there is a preventative to help them in the right direction lol......
I understand that part. If I had a flaky teenage daughter, or other family members, I might think differently. With just my wife and I driving it, along with no intentions to sell or trade in, I'm not seeing any issues in living with it as designed. Like you, I would fear electrical gremlins as my reward in the aftermath.

What bothers me the most about this kind of stuff, is the only reason Jeep is doing this, is to prevent lawsuits. Of which there will be many. Some of them, like this Hollywood kid who crushed the life out of himself, will be high profile and get a lot of media attention. Then no doubt more will jump on the money train, as these ambulance chasers in Men's Warehouse suits come out of the woodwork. This recall will cost Chrysler Jeep millions. The up and coming law suits, millions more. All of which will trickle down and wind up being paid by us through higher purchase prices and repair cost.

It's the same with suing these gun manufacturers because some whacked out crackpot does something insanely stupid. We as a society are getting good at blaming machinery for our own incompetent shortcomings. Lawyers jump on this type of stuff like stink on dog crap. All they accomplish is rewarding people for their own stupidity, and make us foot the bill in the process. In any and all of these cases, mechanical failure because of poor design should have to be proven for a suit to survive in court. Not because of operator error or misuse. Which is the case here.
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I understand that part. If I had a flaky teenage daughter, or other family members, I might think differently. With just my wife and I driving it, along with no intentions to sell or trade in, I'm not seeing any issues in living with it as designed. Like you, I would fear electrical gremlins as my reward in the aftermath.

What bothers me the most about this kind of stuff, is the only reason Jeep is doing this, is to prevent lawsuits. Of which there will be many. Some of them, like this Hollywood kid who crushed the life out of himself, will be high profile and get a lot of media attention. Then no doubt more will jump on the money train, as these ambulance chasers in Men's Warehouse suits come out of the woodwork. This recall will cost Chrysler Jeep millions. The up and coming law suits, millions more. All of which will trickle down and wind up being paid by us through higher purchase prices and repair cost.

It's the same with suing these gun manufacturers because some whacked out crackpot does something insanely stupid. We as a society are getting good at blaming machinery for our own incompetent shortcomings. Lawyers jump on this type of stuff like stink on dog crap. All they accomplish is rewarding people for their own stupidity, and make us foot the bill in the process. In any and all of these cases, mechanical failure because of poor design should have to be proven for a suit to survive in court. Not because of operator error or misuse. Which is the case here.
yeah it would be good to see the percentage of people that were staring at their phone when they failed to hit park.

So just picked mine up from having the recall done all seems fine no gremlins so far. I did test it and sure enough it pops it self into park as described.

I also stopped by the car wash as i don't hand wash my car anymore. Its one of the good premium washes where the car roles on tracks through the tunnel and uses the felt strips instead of brush they do a great job as good as you get with an automatic wash. Anyway i see the guys fighting with the jeep while putting it on the track to go through the wash. Cant put the jeep in neutral to let the track pull it through the wash anymore it of course throws it in park when the guy opens the door. So now the car wash has to dedicate a guy to ride through the car wash with the jeep lol. Anyway they were not happy when i told them every grand Cherokee and Chryslers with that shifter will soon be that way.

The recall was of course free but i did see their paper work on it and they charge back $281 to Corporate for the recall.
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yeah it would be good to see the percentage of people that were staring at their phone when they failed to hit park.

So just picked mine up from having the recall done all seems fine no gremlins so far. I did test it and sure enough it pops it self into park as described.

I also stopped by the car wash as i don't hand wash my car anymore. Its one of the good premium washes where the car roles on tracks through the tunnel and uses the felt strips instead of brush they do a great job as good as you get with an automatic wash. Anyway i see the guys fighting with the jeep while putting it on the track to go through the wash. Cant put the jeep in neutral to let the track pull it through the wash anymore it of course throws it in park when the guy opens the door. So now the car wash has to dedicate a guy to rid through the car wash with the jeep lol. Anyway they were not happy when i told them every grand Cherokee and Chryslers with that shifter will soon be that way.

The recall was of course free but i did see their paper work on it and they charge back $281 to Corporate for the recall.

There will probably be more accidents and injuries in car washes now with the auto park than on the road without the recall done. Oh well. Guess you could get one of those seat belt buckle inserts or just buckle it behind you before getting out?
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:35 PM
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

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yeah it would be good to see the percentage of people that were staring at their phone when they failed to hit park.

So just picked mine up from having the recall done all seems fine no gremlins so far. I did test it and sure enough it pops it self into park as described.

I also stopped by the car wash as i don't hand wash my car anymore. Its one of the good premium washes where the car roles on tracks through the tunnel and uses the felt strips instead of brush they do a great job as good as you get with an automatic wash. Anyway i see the guys fighting with the jeep while putting it on the track to go through the wash. Cant put the jeep in neutral to let the track pull it through the wash anymore it of course throws it in park when the guy opens the door. So now the car wash has to dedicate a guy to rid through the car wash with the jeep lol. Anyway they were not happy when i told them every grand Cherokee and Chryslers with that shifter will soon be that way.

The recall was of course free but i did see their paper work on it and they charge back $281 to Corporate for the recall.

I never thought of the car wash deal. What if the "pusher" on the track in the wash engages, and it pops into park? Would it just pass under the tire, or could it damage something in the drivetrain?
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There will probably be more accidents and injuries in car washes now with the auto park than on the road without the recall done. Oh well. Guess you could get one of those seat belt buckle inserts or just buckle it behind you before getting out?
I don't know what's worse. Having it jump into park, or else have the damn thing dinging and dinging as you drive down the road without your seat belt. Then get into a wreck trying to put it on. Either way it's nice to know Jeep has got you covered. And if it's a new model without the ratcheting shifter, at least you have the good fortune to know it will automatically quit at the first stop light you come to. "Technology" at it's finest!
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I never thought of the car wash deal. What if the "pusher" on the track in the wash engages, and it pops into park? Would it just pass under the tire, or could it damage something in the drivetrain?
Normally the guy would get in pull it forward and then get out before they push whatever button to prompt the track to drag it through so they are seeing it hit park before they get out to push the button. That's not to say all car washes with trackjs work that way. Not sure what would happen if the track tried to grab vehicle in park, especially a 4x4.
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What about buckling the seat belt before you give the car over to the attendant. That way they can pull the car up with the door open and leave it in neutral as it goes through the wash.


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I've brought this up before. The carwash I use requires me to stay with my GC through the carwash. Also, any other vehicle with this type electronic shifter needs their owner in the vehicle. I don't mind, and I don't have to worry about any potential problems.
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

All mechanical carwashes I use require owners to stay in their vehicle. The only time you exit is when that process is done and it's time to clean the interior, but that would be in a separate lot and not on the track any longer.

My guess why some make them exit the vehicle is that they didn't pay for insurance to cover people (outside of their employees) if an accident occurs within the carwash. But I think it would be safer to have them in than out.

In any case, just buckle the seatbelt before exiting as they have mentioned.
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^^^^ I am not an attorney nor an insurance guy, but I do support them nicely in my business ....I am quite certain that any carwash that permits a running vehicle (any config or scenario) to run through the wash unattended will have a rude awakening come damage/injury claim time, especially if they defeat a safety device like clicking a seatbelt without a driver in it...
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My guess why some make them exit the vehicle is that they didn't pay for insurance to cover people (outside of their employees) if an accident occurs within the carwash. But I think it would be safer to have them in than out.
The reason some washes make people exit the vehicle is there have been quite a few accidents where people have hit the gas instead of the brake and crashed into the car wash, employees or the vehicle ahead. People even sometimes reverse in a car wash because they seem to think they didn't get enough soap or wax.

Or worse, have actually opened their doors and/or stepped out of the vehicle in the middle of the wash...

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