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Old 07-07-2016, 08:19 AM
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

billt, you are one of the most smug and arrogant a__hole's I've ever had the displeasure of talking with.

If shifter A is causing no problems but shifter B is causing lots of problems, then clearly shifter B has design problems. The same pool of people (american people) are using both shifter A and shifter B, but B is causing a ton of problems.

That doesn't negate the operator's responsibility, but for **** sakes, admit that Jeep has a responsibility to design their interfaces so that people less cocky and intelligent than you can operate it without confusion. If you were an engineer or somebody with even a hint of design experience somewhere, you wouldn't be spouting off like you do.

Engineers have responsibilities, and Jeep dropped the ball on this shifter. You won't ever agree, but that remains your problem. You're the smug ass with no logic or empathy. Thankfully Jeep recognized the problem and started the recall.

I'm done here.

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Old 07-07-2016, 09:57 AM
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

I can see validity in both sides sides of the argument. But this shifter shit is beyond old already and the continuing arguing over it is pointless. I don't think I've ever come across a subject out here spread out across numerous threads and so completely beat to death, and that includes the transmission shift quality issues.

As 14-15 owners we're all aware of the quirks with this shifter. We have the obligation to pay attention to this and operate it accordingly. That will alleviate a lot of the problems.

I'm a mechanical designer by profession. From a design standpoint... yes, the shifter is flawed. FCA recognizes that but they're only addressing one part of the flaw with the S27 recall.

The recall is not addressing the problem of when you need to suddenly shift between D-R in order to avoid a collision and not being able to hit the right gear... such as have been reported in parking lots several times out here. That's a design flaw, regardless of the person operating it.
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

Enough of the personal insults, please. Discuss; argue, postulate, share recipes, whatever. But "be nice" and please stop making more work for the moderators.

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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

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That doesn't negate the operator's responsibility, but for **** sakes, admit that Jeep has a responsibility to design their interfaces so that people less cocky and intelligent than you can operate it without confusion.
If you can manage to do so without cussing, whining, and acting like an immature a$$wipe, please explain exactly how this shifter manages to, "confuse you"?
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

[QUOTE=MDBones;1304463]I can see validity in both sides sides of the argument. But this shifter shit is beyond old already and the continuing arguing over it is pointless. I don't think I've ever come across a subject out here spread out across numerous threads and so completely beat to death, and that includes the transmission shift quality issues.

While I agree that the shifter issue as to whether it is acceptable or not has been beaten to death, I take issue where you include the shift quality issues. I, for one, still have problems with harsh shifting when the tranny is cold. FCA has done nothing to correct the issue. So, I will remain on my soapbox, hoping someone from FCA monitors these forums, and will wake up and tell the appropriate parties to do something about it.
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Old 07-07-2016, 11:59 AM
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While I agree that the shifter issue as to whether it is acceptable or not has been beaten to death, I take issue where you include the shift quality issues. I, for one, still have problems with harsh shifting when the tranny is cold. FCA has done nothing to correct the issue. So, I will remain on my soapbox, hoping someone from FCA monitors these forums, and will wake up and tell the appropriate parties to do something about it.
The shift quality issue has been addressed in several threads of its own. This thread is about the S27 recall. Totally different problem and it's been beaten to death as well.
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The shift quality issue has been addressed in several threads of its own. This thread is about the S27 recall. Totally different problem and it's been beaten to death as well.
I agree, but, you were the one that included the shift quality issue in this thread.
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I agree, but, you were the one that included the shift quality issue in this thread.
Because it was a comparison to another subject that's been beaten to death. That's all. No argument that it's not a legit problem in its own right.
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

Getting back on track...

I dropped off my jeep today to get the recall done. Im leaving it with them overnight (since Im traveling) and will pick it up tomorrow. Will update on any differences I feel.

I dont need to do the update, havent had a serious incident yet. However, when it comes to liability, I'd rather do the fix and cover my ass then have some lawyer do it for me in court.
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

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Today I'm inclined to agree with you. Recalls like this one, along with the sad fact 51% of the people still think Obama is doing a good job, reinforces that thinking.
What is the stupidity evidence here?
The opinion, or the posting of the statement on a JEEP forum.
Or does Obama have a Jeep, his opponents have a Jeep, or what?
Or did someone just hack your account.
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Re: Shifter Safety Recall S27 (14/15) Repair PDF - 2.3 Hour Repair Time

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What is the stupidity evidence here?
The FACT so many individuals are having so much trouble operating such a simple mechanism. This entire argument is based on the bigger idiot theory.

We have a simple shifter that is easy to operate. Or so Jeep engineers thought. You simply press a button with your foot on the brake, and move the selector forward or aft, until the correct light illuminates in BOTH the lever, as well as on the instrument panel, telling you what gear you're in.

But after countless accidents, (of which at least one was fatal), the engineers soon realized there appears to be an over abundance of idiots they didn't plan on. All of whom simply cannot grasp the fundamentals of how to operate this shifter. This in spite of the fact they couldn't have made it any more simple.

So now, they have to design and install a "fix" so these idiots out there in automotive land won't injure or kill themselves, loved ones, or others. Because they do not possess enough intelligence or common sense, to operate something that was designed to be simple in the first place. As I said in another post, if Jeep engineers are guilty of anything, it's assuming the American buying public is smart enough to operate a simple lever that requires the use of one leg and a hand. They obviously are not.

Now.... You may not like my language of how I describe these people. If you feel that I'm being overly crass or harsh, you can substitute any language you feel is more appropriate. Or more touchy / feely, that comes off as less offensive. Perhaps "non educated" works better for you. Or else "mechanically challenged".

Speaking only for myself, I'll stick with stupid. I just don't know what else to call someone who would have so much difficulty operating something so simple. It's almost scary these people are licensed drivers in the first place. It makes me wonder just what else they don't understand, or comprehend about operating a 2-1/2 ton motorized vehicle.

Jeep is simply doing with this shifter, what educators have done 3 times since 1970 with the college S.A.T. exams. They are choosing to make them easier, rather than having the people better educated. It certainly does explain why we now have college educated people who don't know who fought in WW II. And why we have so many of the same crashing Jeeps, because they don't know how to operate a simple lever to change gears without damaging something, or someone..... Or both.
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