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Old 02-22-2011, 03:54 PM
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Re: SNOW handling Update

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Ah, guess I appreciate the concern but wasn't the above clear that I was "playing"?

I was testing the vehicle and intentionally pushing it in areas where I was alone and not a threat to others.
C'mon Jeepeej, I'm sure he was just messing with you. I mean, we can all see by your profile picture that you're a very safe driver.
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Re: SNOW handling Update

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I agree with you about the Latitude Tour tires. After two days in the snow with them on my new GC, I found a tire place that gave me a reasonable credit for them and upgraded to Michelin LTX M/S2's. I spent about eight hours driving in the mountains in Colorado with them this weekend, and they were fantastic, much better than the Latitude Tours.
Any down side to the tire change (e.g. increased road noise, rougher ride?)
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Re: SNOW handling Update

When there is snow or ice on the road, use snow mode!... it locks the center differential which eliminates the rear bias and eliminates the shifting of power from front to back which can give spooky handling in make.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:21 PM
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Re: SNOW handling Update

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Any down side to the tire change (e.g. increased road noise, rougher ride?)
I don't have them (one of my two or three choices) but they should be better than the stock ORA II tires in road noise and ride based on what I've read. Even the stock ORA II tires are better than the stock 20" tires. Owners of the LTX M/S2?


The Michelin LTX M/S2 should have been the base tire for the Grand Cherokee and the Firestone Destination A/T should have been the ORA II package upgrade instead of the Michelin Latitude Tour. Look at this shorter list, select the three and click on Compare Selected Tires. I show the P265/60R18 because that's what the ORA II comes with on the Overland.

If you settled for 265/50R20 then you're pretty much stuck with the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza over the stock Goodyear Fortera HL Edition.

Of course this is just one dealer and this doesn't mean there are no other tires out there that are better A/T or AS choices. Go down to 17" and you get even better choices.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:42 AM
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Re: SNOW handling Update

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Re: SNOW handling Update

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I don't have them (one of my two or three choices) but they should be better than the stock ORA II tires in road noise and ride based on what I've read. Even the stock ORA II tires are better than the stock 20" tires. Owners of the LTX M/S2?


The Michelin LTX M/S2 should have been the base tire for the Grand Cherokee and the Firestone Destination A/T should have been the ORA II package upgrade instead of the Michelin Latitude Tour. Look at this shorter list, select the three and click on Compare Selected Tires. I show the P265/60R18 because that's what the ORA II comes with on the Overland.

If you settled for 265/50R20 then you're pretty much stuck with the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza over the stock Goodyear Fortera HL Edition.

Of course this is just one dealer and this doesn't mean there are no other tires out there that are better A/T or AS choices. Go down to 17" and you get even better choices.
No noticeable increased road noise for me going from the Latitudes to the LTX M/S2's, they just look much better and are great in the snow.
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Re: SNOW handling Update

I got to use the Snow Mode of SelecTerrain for the first time this weekend going up to Yosemite. We had precipitation in the days before the trip, and it was raining at the lower elevations when I hit the CHP snow chain checkpoint. The final ten miles to Tenaya Lodge (CA-41 entrance to Yosemite) was plowed with a steady snowfall. I did not feel any slipping even with the stock Michelin Latitude Tour tires. I was not driving aggressively since I am still getting used to the much larger and heavier WK2 compared to my ZJ. At the lodge I accelerated hard from a dead stop on packed snow, and again no slipping even with the rapid acceleration. However, the parking lot had 6+ inches of fresh snow which required some rocking to overcome, but it was not too bad. I am still going to replace these "all season" tires with "all terrain" even though my first experience was mostly positive.

The remote start is great! The engine, driver's seat, steering wheel, and rear defroster were running when I got down to the car from the hotel. I guess I could have also left the front window defrosters on to start clearing the windshield. The overnight lows were about 20 degrees.
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Re: SNOW handling Update

We had just over a foot of snow on Monday so I got to test out QTI w/GY Wrangler SilentArmor tires. I was happily surprised at how well it performed. Traction and stability was outstanding. A huge improvement over my Liberty(Selec-Trac + FS Destination A/T). This WK2 is turning out to be the best vehicle EVER!
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Re: SNOW handling Update

I sent Chrysler an e-mail about my experiences with their so-called "Off-Road" packaged tires. Besides the typical thank you and we're sorry response, they were 'dismayed that my expectations weren't met' and sent my concerns to the "product team". I was also told how hard they worked on the new vehicle etc.; I mentioned I was pleased overall except for the off-road tire part I did't receive.

Bottom line, suck it up and spend ~$1K to get A/T tires. I doubt they would consider adding good A/Ts because more people would complain about less gas mileage, road noise and ride comfort. Why would anyone want to go off-road besides parking on someone's yard during some little kid's birthday party?

Those not satisfied with their ORA packaged tires should send them an e-mail as well. I'll see what the dealer can do for me since Jeep isn't interested in just one customer.
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I sent Chrysler an e-mail about my experiences with their so-called "Off-Road" packaged tires. Besides the typical thank you and we're sorry response, they were 'dismayed that my expectations weren't met' and sent my concerns to the "product team". I was also told how hard they worked on the new vehicle etc.; I mentioned I was pleased overall except for the off-road tire part I did't receive.

Bottom line, suck it up and spend ~$1K to get A/T tires. I doubt they would consider adding good A/Ts because more people would complain about less gas mileage, road noise and ride comfort. Why would anyone want to go off-road besides parking on someone's yard during some little kid's birthday party?

Those not satisfied with their ORA packaged tires should send them an e-mail as well. I'll see what the dealer can do for me since Jeep isn't interested in just one customer.
I had my dealer change the tires as part of the purchase deal. I told them, change the tires or I am walking. 10 minutes later and they agreed to change them at their cost.
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There was another Q&A with the engineers a while back outside JG and I asked them this very thing.. IIRC, their answer was basically what JeepeeJ mentioned above--the tires are good enough for the majority of those who gets the ORA pkgs.
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Now I'm very disappointed with the QDII and Blizzaks in several inches of wet or 6+ inches of powder snow. My old 96 GC or the 09 WK that followed me today doesn't have traction issues. The QDII's three drive tires were fighting each other for traction while the WK2 settled into the wet snow while climbing a hill at very slow speed. Almost came to a complete stop before it finally got some traction and forward momentum. Not a reasuring JEEP thing.
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