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Re: So I'm in Europe on vacation and I test drove the 2014 Ecodiesel Overland

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That might be true if you park a Corvette next to a regular 3-Series, but in general, BMW and Mercedes (and to some degree, Audi) are the most desired brands in Germany.

We also have to keep in mind that there are huge differences among the brands itself. In the US, you will see far more "high end" models of BMW, Audi and Mercedes than you will find in Germany. They offer engines and models much smaller than in the US.

Example: A BMW X5 is a status symbol in Europe and only reflects a very small fraction of BMWs sold. In the US, the X5 is far more common.

You havn't been to europe then...

Ive been to just about every country in the EU and the X5's are as common as minivans here in the states.


If i go take a picture of the parking lot outside this building or at a mall. You will see a good amount of X5's and Cayenne's. The ML not so much.

Granted, each and everyone one of them are diesel.

Lots of X6's as well...LOTS
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Re: So I'm in Europe on vacation and I test drove the 2014 Ecodiesel Overland

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You havn't been to europe then...
I lived in Germany for more than 20 years.

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Ive been to just about every country in the EU and the X5's are as common as minivans here in the states.
I never claimed that the X5 doesn't sell well in Europe - I just indicated that it only represents a fraction of the overall sales of the entire brand. And trust me - its share among the brand would be much higher if it wouldn't be so expensive, making it a status symbol.

Could be that the X6 is a hot seller in Russia - but it certainly doesn't sell too well in Germany. Since its introduction, the X6 sold an average of 40,000 units/year - and that's globally.

In Germany, the 1-Series actually outsells both, the X5 and the X6. Same applies to the 5-Series and of course, the 3-Series. Even the X1 and the X3 outsell the X5 and X6. That's why I considered the number of X5s sold only to be a small fraction of the entire brand. This claim is accurate - globally and in Europe itself.

BMW has a high reputation in Europe (and not only there).

The X5 is in BMW's upper size- (and price-)segment. And if brand reputation meets high price, you have a status symbol.

The funny thing is that due to the fact of being status-symbols, huge SUVs tend to have a bad reputation among some in Europe.

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If i go take a picture of the parking lot outside this building or at a mall. You will see a good amount of X5's and Cayenne's. The ML not so much.

Granted, each and everyone one of them are diesel.

Lots of X6's as well...LOTS
While you might have seen lots of X5s and X6s at the mall (which, BTW, could actually indicate that the vehicle IS a status-symbol), the smaller models outnumber the huge SUVs by a healthy margin.
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Re: So I'm in Europe on vacation and I test drove the 2014 Ecodiesel Overland

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I lived in Germany for more than 20 years.



I never claimed that the X5 doesn't sell well in Europe - I just indicated that it only represents a fraction of the overall sales of the entire brand. And trust me - its share among the brand would be much higher if it wouldn't be so expensive, making it a status symbol.

Could be that the X6 is a hot seller in Russia - but it certainly doesn't sell too well in Germany. Since its introduction, the X6 sold an average of 40,000 units/year - and that's globally.

In Germany, the 1-Series actually outsells both, the X5 and the X6. Same applies to the 5-Series and of course, the 3-Series. Even the X1 and the X3 outsell the X5 and X6. That's why I considered the number of X5s sold only to be a small fraction of the entire brand. This claim is accurate - globally and in Europe itself.

BMW has a high reputation in Europe (and not only there).

The X5 is in BMW's upper size- (and price-)segment. And if brand reputation meets high price, you have a status symbol.

The funny thing is that due to the fact of being status-symbols, huge SUVs tend to have a bad reputation among some in Europe.



While you might have seen lots of X5s and X6s at the mall (which, BTW, could actually indicate that the vehicle IS a status-symbol), the smaller models outnumber the huge SUVs by a healthy margin.

That is true, I do also see a ton of 1 series and 3 series here.

I always thought the 3 series was bmw's bread and butter globally and for europe.
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Re: So I'm in Europe on vacation and I test drove the 2014 Ecodiesel Overland

When I tell people that in America, our motors basically start at 2 liters they look at me like I'm crazy.

Here, 2 liters is considered good sized. Most people drive around in 1.6-1.9 diesels lol.
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When I tell people that in America, our motors basically start at 2 liters they look at me like I'm crazy.

Here, 2 liters is considered good sized. Most people drive around in 1.6-1.9 diesels lol.
Yeah, that's definitely true. I had a a MB C Class Coupe 2.2 L diesel before I moved to Denver and thought that was quite a "big" engine! It's all about fuel costs though really.
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