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Re: Speeding Ticket

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Speed and texting kills.
True in a technical sense, but very misleading. That's kinda like saying "car accidents and bee stings kill". Over 30,000 people a year die in car crashes, while around 50 a year die via bee stings.

Years ago the most comprehensive study of accidents with injuries listed absolute speed down in 6th place as the primary cause, and it was a factor in less than 3% of the accidents, less than equipment problems.

Be careful here! That was "absolute speed". Turns out that "relative speed" (differences in speed between cars going in the same direction) was much more of an issue. Unfortunately, I can't remember the exact numbers on that. Interestingly enough, it was statistically safer to exceed the limit if that was what the cars around you were doing.

So kudos to our guys in blue when they bag the idiots speeding in traffic (as in "faster than prevailing traffic"). Nailing a lone driver on an empty road for 15 over the limit ... no kudos (except, of course, in residential areas.)

Anyway, all of the speed stuff was dwarfed by the percentage of accidents where the driver was impaired (mostly alcohol.) In solid second place back then was that the driver was distracted - and this study was done well before texting while driving was a national problem. I'd be interested in updated numbers.

I wish I had suggestions about how to stop texting and driving. Purely anecdotally, a good friend is lucky to be alive today after a woman who was texting ran a red light and slammed into her car. If there were a "texting detector" that a police officer could point at a car and determine that the driver was texting and driving - why I'd take up a collection to equip our local force with it!
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Re: Speeding Ticket

Also activate the navigation system to warn you when you are 10 mph over the speed limit, it's a little annoying but I'm sure it will help me avoid a ticket...
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Also activate the navigation system to warn you when you are 10 mph over the speed limit, it's a little annoying but I'm sure it will help me avoid a ticket...
NOTHING.. NOTHING is more annoying than that "The speed limit is 65"... I have enough women in my life telling me that.. well, one other woman anyway. My wife just about cried the first time she heard it. I turned it off right after that.
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Re: Speeding Ticket

A lot of the speed limits around here have changed over the past year or so. The system hasn't caught up. I wonder if that will be a pushed update or included in the next $149 update.

It doesn't concern me much because it was a feature I didn't expect to get. As long as the navigation part continues to work as well as it has, I'll be very happy.



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NOTHING.. NOTHING is more annoying than that "The speed limit is 65"... I have enough women in my life telling me that.. well, one other woman anyway. My wife just about cried the first time she heard it. I turned it off right after that.
This! I tried it out and immediately turned it off when I reached my destination. Where I live, the speed limit gradually drops 10 MPH each second block and then shoots back up. She would not shut up about the speed limit, so I can to make her shut up.
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None of this crap works. My radar has POP mode. It pops on and off before your detector ever has a chance to get a read. And laser, forget about it.

It's funny how many people are pulling there detectors off their windshield when I walk up. Then they try to tell the judge there is no way I caught them because they had a detector/jammer. I find you guilty, go see the clerk for payment.

Speed and texting kills.


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I must disagree on the "speeding" part, but do agree on texting. Most "speed limits" are nothing more than a pandering ode to the lowest common denominator and source of revenue. If safety were truly the goal the law would prevent true morons among us from being licensed.

Today's speed limits are too often arbitrary, capricious and more revenue centered than anything else. Gone are the days when engineering derived "85th percentile" limits are the norm. Police work should be honorable. Hiding like a mugger in the bushes waiting to pounce may be good for revenue, but erodes respect for the law. A guy going 80 on a clear road in good weather isn't nearly as unsafe as a weaving, bumper hugging road rager in the rain, but guess who gets pulled over when the man behind the overpass turns on the radar?

A good detector and more can help level the field, so long as one isn't totally stupid . It can and does give some advance warning when the revenue agents come a calling.
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I don't condone speeding on residential streets. However, many posted speed limits were not calculated by NHTSA recommended methods, and many roads have speed limits less than the 80 percentile of drivers on those roads.

If speed enforcement was about safety, then you would see more marked police cars in more visible locations. This would slow drivers down. Having unmarked police vehicles, use of motorcycles, and hidden police vehicles are about generating revenue.

If safety was a concern, then law enforcement would concentrate more on distracted drivers, unsafe vehicles, unrestrained children, inadequately restrained young children, proper road courtesy and proper use of turn signals. Additionally, if law enforcement took a proactive approach and provided more driver education, our roads would be safer, but adversely affect ticket revenue.

The reason enforcement is focused on speed, is because it is an easy target to enforce. Don't be lazy and enforce the easy target, work hard and make the streets safer.
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Re: Speeding Ticket

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I don't condone speeding on residential streets. However, many posted speed limits were not calculated by NHTSA recommended methods, and many roads have speed limits less than the 80 percentile of drivers on those roads.

If speed enforcement was about safety, then you would see more marked police cars in more visible locations. This would slow drivers down. Having unmarked police vehicles, use of motorcycles, and hidden police vehicles are about generating revenue.

If safety was a concern, then law enforcement would concentrate more on distracted drivers, unsafe vehicles, unrestrained children, inadequately restrained young children, proper road courtesy and proper use of turn signals. Additionally, if law enforcement took a proactive approach and provided more driver education, our roads would be safer, but adversely affect ticket revenue.

The reason enforcement is focused on speed, is because it is an easy target to enforce. Don't be lazy and enforce the easy target, work hard and make the streets safer.
Not even remotely true.

First of all, how do you figure officers should focus on those things? Police cars stick out like a sore thumb, especially on smaller side roads. There are no places to hide undetected and everyone drives like a 90 year old lady when they see a Police car around. You can't "catch" someone doing someting wrong that way.
Secondly, things like speeding are enforced more on highways is because that is where the majority of serious speeding happens. Doing 50mph in a 30 is very different than doing 85mph in a 65. The braking time and distance between cars to brake are very very different when you get to higher speeds.
Thirdly, there are different departments of law enforcement. Highway Police work highways, and regular patrol work well....patrol. You can't really have patrol officers who are focused on radio runs start disregarding that to focus on agrressive drivers. It just would never work.
Fourthly, how on this planet do you plan on officers focusing on "distracted drivers, unrestrained children, etc" or things like that in the first place? Use X-Ray vision? Think it's a good idea for the Police to start randomly pulling over cars that aren't doing anything wrong in the first place to check to see if they have babies in the car unrestrained? lol. Maybe ask them "hey, were you distracted when you're driving?" lol The only way to really stop a car is by them doing a moving violation wrong in the first place. Changing lanes without signaling, speeding, tailgating, improper lane usage, things like that.
Lastly, you want the Police department to pay for driver's education? Seriously? What's next, you want them to pay for drug programs too? You do know the function of Law Enforcement, right?

I don't mean to come off rude or anything like that but you're making some pretty ridiculous claims right now. You should see what it's like on the other side before making it seem like the Police can do all these things you are asking.
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