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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

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Honestly all cars are expensive to maintain IMO. I always say same thing every time I leave the Nissan dealer, can't get out of that darn place for less than $1000. I joke that anything they do is $500 minimum. After my extended warrantee was up at 100k my frontier cost me probably 5 or 6k in only a few years. I have a credit card that I only use for my Nissan bills.
Yeah I use to feel that foreign cars were more reliable but IMO that's just not the case had a 2008 Lexus GS 450 and a 2005 Nissan pathfinder both had stuff go wrong with them you would never even think would break for at least 100k miles or ever.I mean weird crap they both have stalled on me in the middle of the highway multiple times. The pathfinder cost me so much money to own... I'm still getting back recall money from the crap that went wrong had to pay out of pocket until the crap got recalled and it wasn't cheap 2200 for a fuel sending unit I mean WTH and that wasn't even the most expensive thing I think the timing chain tensioner was the most expensive ever have a car that sounds like it's super charged but has no super charger?. So IMO all cars are POS no mater who makes them.
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Honestly all cars are expensive to maintain IMO. I always say same thing every time I leave the Nissan dealer, can't get out of that darn place for less than $1000. I joke that anything they do is $500 minimum. After my extended warrantee was up at 100k my frontier cost me probably 5 or 6k in only a few years. I have a credit card that I only use for my Nissan bills.
Had a 2004 Mazda 6. 160,000 km's later all I ever had to do was change tires, oil changes and replace brake pads :sigh:
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

In my yout I really wanted a TR3 but couldn't afford one. I could afford a Jag XK-140MC. Then I found out why. All of my cars have oil pressure gauges. Still have owner's manuals that tell you how to decarbonize the valves.

By 1970 we expected an average car to be ready for the recycling center by 100,000 miles. I used to get a number of "seasoned" 327s that way. Always looked for the double bump heads and learned to index spark plugs.

Today 200k is more the norm if the tin worm don't get you (one reason I live in Orlando). Personally believe that with proper (i.e. fanatical) maintenance there is no limit.

All of my toys other than the heep are pre-1991 & the fastest one is 43 years old. Just finished replacing a freeze plug in the 'vert. No Big
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

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Honestly all cars are expensive to maintain IMO. I always say same thing every time I leave the Nissan dealer, can't get out of that darn place for less than $1000. I joke that anything they do is $500 minimum. After my extended warrantee was up at 100k my frontier cost me probably 5 or 6k in only a few years. I have a credit card that I only use for my Nissan bills.
I have had MANY cars, and I have never had a car that has required extensive brake work at such a low mileage, or that has required the number of warranty repairs that my Jeep has required. I can't imagine paying out of pocket for all of these electrical components after the warranty is up...

I mean, lets list out my issues in 28k miles:

1. Replace cruise control switch
2. Replace cruise control switch (thats not an error, they've done it twice)
3. Replace EVIC control switch
4. Replace drivers door handle smart key switch
5. Replace rear window release switch
6. Replace rear hatch smart key switch
7. Replace HVAC unit control panel
8. Replace rear window/seal to address leak at top
9. Replace front rotors and pads due to heavy corrosion of rotors, hubs and pads (at my cost)
10. Replace steering rack & pinion assembly (outstanding)
11. Address standing water inside passenger side C pillar causing wet/moldy seatbelt (outstanding)
12. Address intermittent radio volume control lockout (outstanding)
13. Address three separate interior rattles/buzzes (outstanding)

I mean...I have never owned another vehicle that has required this many small repairs in its lifetime...let alone in 1.5 years. What would this continue to cost me out of warranty?!?! It would be huge! if my Jeep had 100k miles like your Nissan, I wouldn't be complaining. But...it doesn't...its almost brand new.

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It sounds to me that the OP brake issue may be a case of neglect. Maintenance guide intervals are for normal driving habits. Take you vehicle off road, submerge in water 20" deep, hard braking and drive in salted snow requires additional maintenance.

Maybe the electrical corrosion is related to this as well.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

Nobody maintains cars like I do, nobody. My cars are serviced above and beyond the manufacturers requirements, washed 2-3 times per week. My Jeep has never been offroad more than a gravel road, never been submurged in water, very little snow use quite frankly as we have had really no snow since I bought it. I don't live near the beach.

My Jeep has seen suburban commuter duty, mainly by my wife, which is 70% highway, and has been driven on several highway trips. Thats it.

Any insinuation that my issues are caused by neglect is just hysterical, it really is. Being owned by me is any car's absolute dream. I feel ya, I was right there saying what you've said but you really are barking up the wrong tree with me. I mentioned that comment to my wife and she literally laughed out loud. I mean...you can eat off the engine blocks of my cars...I am the absolute joke of the neighborhood for how I care for my cars.

The only reason for brake life to be as low as it was, and for them to be as corroded as they are is poor quality materials...thats straight out of my mechanics mouth. No other vehicle I've ever owned has had these issues...and they've been treated the same way. I don't care how hard you are on brakes...how do they get so corroded in 27k miles that they are FUSED TO THE HUBS?!?!

New problem by the way, the passenger side rear seatbelt is soaked, as if the area behind the panel has standing water in it. Also, the radio volume cannot be controlled intermittently. Buttons and knobs jiust stop functioning. I am having it put into the shop when I get back from vacation next week to address that and other issues.

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Do you have an extended warranty? Or are you not even interested in one and just want to get a different vehicle?
No extended warranty as of now, I'll decide as I get closer to the end of the factory warranty.

I'm very disappointed, I LOVE the Jeep. We just got back from a highway trip to the mountains of WV to visit family and I just really, really like this vehicle and I'd like to keep it, but I wouldn't be able to without a warranty at this rate of failure, and even with a warranty its a huge hassle.

We'll see what the next 6 months or so hold, thats about how long until I get to the end of the warranty. There really isn't any other vehicle I want out there...at this point I don't think my wife would let me try another Jeep. I like the vehicle enough I'd be willing to try another one...but she doesn't.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:43 PM
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

Nobody maintains cars like I do, nobody. My cars are serviced above and beyond the manufacturers requirements, washed 2-3 times per week. My Jeep has never been offroad more than a gravel road, never been submurged in water, very little snow use quite frankly as we have had really no snow since I bought it. I don't live near the beach.

My Jeep has seen suburban commuter duty, mainly by my wife, which is 70% highway, and has been driven on several highway trips. Thats it.

Any insinuation that my issues are caused by neglect is just hysterical, it really is. Being owned by me is any car's absolute dream. I feel ya, I was right there saying what you've said but you really are barking up the wrong tree with me. I mentioned that comment to my wife and she literally laughed out loud. I mean...you can eat off the engine blocks of my cars...I am the absolute joke of the neighborhood for how I care for my cars.

The only reason for brake life to be as low as it was, and for them to be as corroded as they are is poor quality materials...thats straight out of my mechanics mouth. No other vehicle I've ever owned has had these issues...and they've been treated the same way. I don't care how hard you are on brakes...how do they get so corroded in 27k miles that they are FUSED TO THE HUBS?!?!

New problem by the way, the passenger side rear seatbelt is soaked, as if the area behind the panel has standing water in it. Also, the radio volume cannot be controlled intermittently. Buttons and knobs jiust stop functioning. I am having it put into the shop when I get back from vacation next week to address that and other issues.
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Maybe you should close the windows when you wash the car from now on.
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

Maybe thats it! Haha

The water issue is especially strange because the carpeting is not wet around that area...but when you retract the seatbelt back into the C pillar and pull it out...it comes out wet. Wet enough to soak through the passenger's shirt.
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I hate to sound like a broken record as well, but my love affair with this Jeep is slowly dying. Like alot of other people in this thread, I've owned many other vehicles, this Jeep being my first domestic auto. I've owned 3 BMW's, a Lexus, a Mazda, a Nissan, and my 12 Overland has had more problems in the first 18 months of ownership than my last 3 cars combined.

Nothing that has caused it to be towed, but just ongoing reliablity issues.

>replace heater fan
>replace right rear shock
>replace left rear shock
>reprogram climate control on auto start
>at dealer 4 separate times to diagnose/repair cold weather squeal on intial start up (replaced power steering pump, power steering pulley, alternator, all tensioners, serpentine belt)
>still unresolved interior squeak/rattle when hitting bumps

Not sure if I want to keep the JGC, just dont want to take such a hit on depreciation after 18 mos.
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And the scary thing to me is some issues are common amongst all of us that have issues, and some are just totally random...

For instance, HVAC issues seem fairly common...yet everybody seems to have different components of the system fail. Mine was the control panel, jd's is the heater fan and the reprogramming. That makes me even more concerned about owning it out of warranty...
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Its posts like these that may very well keep me from buying another Jeep. Part of me says to run from a potential reliability/maintenance problem. Another part keeps telling me how much I enjoyed my previous two Jeeps. Yesterday, NHTSA came out with their most complaints list. Jeep is number two (complaints per 100K vehicles), right behind MINI. I really like MINI, but would never seriously consider buying one because of their horrid reliablity.

I know about warranties. But, having to get your car to the dealer and to put up with dealer service personnel, makes it such a huge hassle you'd almost pay someone to fix the problem if it was easier all the way around. The old saying "time is money" plays heavily when you have to spend hours getting a warranty repair taken care of.

Will just keep monitoring Jeep reliability until there seems to be a clear result.

Did you notice that in the NHTSA list, Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge were all in the top 5?
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Did you notice that in the NHTSA list, Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge were all in the top 5?

Did you notice that in the 2013 Consumer Reports auto issue that the Grand Cherokee V-8 was #1 in customer satisfaction in the midsized suv segment and the V-6 was #2 with 81% and 79% saying they would definitely buy again??
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Did you notice that in the NHTSA list, Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge were all in the top 5?
Yes, but I thought that bringing that up was like "piling on" in football. There's no reason to make the situation any worse than necessary.

My brain says if I wouldn't buy a MINI because the reliability is so very bad, why would I even consider buying the next worse car on the reliability list?
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Did you notice that in the 2013 Consumer Reports auto issue that the Grand Cherokee V-8 was #1 in customer satisfaction in the midsized suv segment and the V-6 was #2 with 81% and 79% saying they would definitely buy again??
I don't know if that's the new car report. The JGC scores incredibly high on the initial new car quality polls. KBB says the initial new car quality of the JGC is over 90% very satisfied. I don't know if there are any 3 month or 6 month ownership polls.
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