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Old 05-29-2013, 06:17 AM
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

I wonder how many of the WK2 GC parts are made in China? I noticed that a lot of the "genuine" Mopar/Jeep accessories I've added to my 2014 GC had "Made in China" on the box.



Like I've said before, once the warranty is close to ending, my GC will be gone. I love it and all, but I have little faith in it's reliability over the long haul.

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Fused hubs are common on the wk2. It happens when the hub is steel and the wheels are made of aluminum. I've seen many cases of heavy corrosion in that transition area. Most ppl have to kick the tires to get the wheel off. Apparently if you rub some sealing compound on there it'll prevent it.

I too will never buy another chrysler product. I figure i'd give american a try for the first time and i already regret it. I tried HARD to defend this car but it just chips away at you till you swear never again...

<700 miles blower fan making noise and water in the passenger footwell and water behind the dash. Turns out some idiot forgot to route the ac condenser hose OUT OF THE CAR. They dried the rear and replaced the blower motor.

Current: noisy water pump. Chirps constantly waiting for pump to come in on backorder.

Current: random leveling from the QL system on startup...no fix cuz everything tests "normal" it's not suppose to do this.

Current: Droning sound from engine around 55-65mph. Apparently it's normal?

Who knows what else will show up...i'm only at 10k miles.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:32 AM
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

Guess it depends on where you live. When living in Indiana, I used to see stuck wheels quite often particularly on hub-centric designs. The last 30 years in Florida, not at all (and the only steel weel I have is the heep's spare).

ps I use a thin layer of anti-seize

My last personal non-domestic was a 1968 FIAT 124 Spyder I sold at 170,000 miles to buy a 1978 V8 Sunbird. Have had three FIATs and liked them all (1200 Spyder had the only trans I could shift faster than a Muncie).

Nothing but domestics since and many kept way past the sell-by date. (the current herd represents almost 200 years of "experience"). After the XK Jags (7,000 rpm once) of my Yout, I have had very good luck with reliability desipe some really oddball failures (returning home with a 1990 GM 3800 that a dealer said had a bad oil pressure guage to find two cam beaings in the bottom of the pan. Good part was I found then in my garage and not 1,000 miles away).

Have had pretty good luck with dealers once I have them trained but rarely bother with them.

OTOH since I tend to keep cars bought new for a couple of decades, I did buy the lifetime warrenty from CJF since was about the same price as the sales tax on the heep & is transferrable in Florida. I prefer not to mess with a/c or transmissions.

Bottom line, I have had zero problems (other than not being able to read the dash with sunglasses on) with my '12 though I would like to lower it about 2". It does exactly what I want it to.
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I have only had domestic cars - albeit that amounts to three, including my new Summit. My cars were all been bought new and I have had no significant problems and I kept them for over 100k miles, and I never did any preventive maintenance. My first was a Chevy Blazer and it had 150k miles before I got rid of it, it's main problem were electrical gremlins, went through a battery a year since I didn't want to take the time to find the source. The second was a Jeep Liberty, it had 110k miles before I gave it to a friend to make way for my new GC. It's main issue were frequent flats due to nails from all the construction in the area. For my new Grand, I plan on doing all the recommended maintenance for the first time.

I don't have anything against foreign cars and like a great many of them, it just seems that when it comes time to get a car, I end up with a domestic.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:12 PM
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

I've always been a stickler for maintenance. Except maybe tires, which I often fail to rotate. And sometimes my cars are dirtier than I'd like. But as far as I'm concerned oil is like blood; if you neglect that part you might as well not own a car.

I've developed an excel spreadsheet that I modify for each car based on the manufacturer's recommended maintenance intervals. I may modify it further to group maintence items together. In the case of the Jeep I've added in fluid changes to the transmission and differentials. I look forward to hitting an interval, and type in the mileage in the little blocks (for example 22,345 = 22.3) and someties I'll type the date on that line, on the far right. I can always add rows if I increase intervals.

The other things I've been doing is using silicone spray on critical electrical connections, or whenever I have to disconnect and connect. I also apply that to rubber and plastic fasteners like the engine cover to make it easy to remove. I use dielectric grease on high voltage connectors like coils and plugs, and anti-seize compound on wheel-to hub, and on lug nuts.

Every spring I get underneath any vehicle that has seen snow and clean underneath with a hose and cold water. I get a ton of sand and salt off that way.
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Old 05-29-2013, 03:42 PM
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

Here's the bottom line, I love the Jeep and I just want Chrysler to make it as good a product as it can be, I think thats what we all want. I think looking around JeepGarage you can see that there are some significant issues with quality, reliability, etc, especially when it comes to small electrical components. Some people have no problems, some have tons, some have 2014s that die on their driveways. That wide disparity between issue free vehicles and heavily issued vehicles is an issue...consistent quality is what you want to see. There is obviously some significant variance between the quality of electrical and other components from build to build. I have 5 WK2s on my street, my one neighbor has had 3 WK2s, 2011 V6 Limited, 2012 Hemi Summit, and a 2014 V6 Overland. 2011 had no issues, the 2012 had some electrical issues like mine, bad switches, replaced nav HU, replaced adaptive cruise sensor...his 2014 is brand new and is fine except for broken seals in both headlamp assemblies.

When you go on a Toyota or Honda forum you of course find people who have issues, but you don't see the consistent issue threads that you do here. As someone who was a staunch defender I believe that there are certainly Wk2 owners who have no issues, and they aren't lying, but those of us who have had a lot of issues aren't lying either...and there is nothing "normal" or "owner caused" about our experiences.
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Old 05-29-2013, 06:05 PM
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

The only time I'd ever had electrical problems on a vehicle was with a Kawasaki motorcycle. So much for Japanese quality.
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

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The only time I'd ever had electrical problems on a vehicle was with a Kawasaki motorcycle. So much for Japanese quality.
As Kawasaki is the standard police issue cycle, it must assumed they are as reliable as possible. First responders cannot be sidelined by cycle reliability problems. Based on this, I can only assume you were the definition of exception to the rule. And, if you are basing your Japanese vs US built opinion on this one instance, it seems a little short-sighted to me.
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

Sorry to hear your woes SW. I'm sure you remember mine from right out the gate. I still debate whether I will buy a new vehicle again and still like some stuff about the GC but the Durango is also on my hit list and my sights are set on a RAM pick up as well on the new end. Currently I have a 2002 Chevy trailblazer. Bought it for 5000 with 106,000 miles and now have 120. No issues except a spark plug coil. 47$. Shamefully the suspension is riding loose like my jeep was. Ya can feel the clunky ness just the same. But it's a 5000$ vehicle with 120k, I can stomach that. Sadly I don't look as cool as I did in my jeep. I'm hoping also to get my uncles 2006 limited that he has has zero problems with. We will see what fate brings my way sooner or later. Hope it works out for you.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:15 PM
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As Kawasaki is the standard police issue cycle, it must assumed they are as reliable as possible. First responders cannot be sidelined by cycle reliability problems. Based on this, I can only assume you were the definition of exception to the rule. And, if you are basing your Japanese vs US built opinion on this one instance, it seems a little short-sighted to me.
Of course. You get my point.
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

I feel for the guys who are having hard-to-diagnose electrical problems but I think the odds are very good most people won't have problems.

When we bought an '01 JGC the Edmunds forums had more Lemon Law references than anything else. We bought one anyway, it had only one small warrantee repair and was as trouble free as nearly any car I ever owned. Sold it it my son at 80,000 miles, he sold it at 140,000.

My ’05 WK had a leaking seal right away, otherwise fine. Sold at 20,000 due to awful mpg.

Replaced it with a Subaru, Consumer Reports #2 for quality. Most troublesome car I ever had. Ultimately blew a head gasket at 100,000, $2200 to fix in order to sell it.

Put my $ where my mouth is and ordered a 2014 Limited.

PS: most trouble free car I ever had is also the most complicated car I ever had, a 2006 Prius. ZERO repairs, just oil changes and tires (still original front brakes even) in 102,000 miles. My daughter has 60,000 on her 2010 Prius with zero repairs. OTOH my 2007 RAV4 at 96,000 miles has been only average.
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I wonder how many of the WK2 GC parts are made in China? I noticed that a lot of the "genuine" Mopar/Jeep accessories I've added to my 2014 GC had "Made in China" on the box.



Like I've said before, once the warranty is close to ending, my GC will be gone. I love it and all, but I have little faith in it's reliability over the long haul.

Precisely the reason I leased this one and extended the warranty by three months to cover the entire lease. If this was an Acura, like my last car, I would have been much more likely to gamble. But there was just no way I was NOT going to be covered by warranty for any length of time in this vehicle. I knew *that* much going in. Of course, I didn't expect what eventually happened, but a few minor issues I expected and was prepared for.

And when the lease was up, if we liked the vehicle (and man, we ended up loving it from the minute we got it), we'd just turn it in and get a new one -- under warranty.

I don't like the idea of perpetual payments, but it just makes more sense these days with cars being rolling computers.
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