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I use dielectric grease on high voltage connectors like coils and plugs, and anti-seize compound on wheel-to hub, and on lug nuts.
All awesome tips except for that last one.

I have heard to NEVER put anti-seize on lug nuts. If you want to use anything, use milk of magnesia. It dries to a powder that makes the lug nuts easy to come off (tip I learned from the VW aircooled guys -- we used that on spark plugs threads). I put anti-seize on the wheel-to-hub, but the moment you put it on your lug nuts you alter the torque application dramatically, not to mention it makes it that much easier for the nuts to back off.

Not trying to sound harsh, but this is dangerous. Lug nuts should always be put on dry. If I get a rusty one, sometimes I'll spray a little WD40 inside and then blow it out to keep moisture away.

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UPDATE: Well, it seems lots of folks on the 'net are using anti-seize for their lug nuts with no apparent drawbacks. Interesting. One thread I found had a great gauge for dry vs. wet torque specifications, which I think would be useful if you are going to use anything on your nuts (heh):
http://www.raskcycle.com/techtip/webdoc14.html

And then an article on why it's bad (stretches the studs, possibly leading to metal fatigue):
http://brakeandfrontend.blogspot.com...-lug-nuts.html

While the chart might not be completely applicable to lug nuts, it does show that anything applied to the nut will result in more torque being applied that you might intend. However, if using anti-seize, I suppose I would be hesitant to apply *less* than the recommended torque, as I'd be afraid of the nut backing off.

And, one more... http://fleetowner.com/equipment/tire...debunking_myth

Anyway, I'm off topic... I suppose if we want to discuss this, it should go in a new thread (if it hasn't been discussed already here).
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Old 05-30-2013, 10:56 AM
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Replaced it with a Subaru, Consumer Reports #2 for quality. Most troublesome car I ever had. Ultimately blew a head gasket at 100,000, $2200 to fix in order to sell it.
Ha. My stepson just got out of his Forester for the exact same issue (it's a common one with the Subaru boxers). We bought the car new in 2003 and did all the required and recommended maintenance. Lots of money. Gave him the car for his high school graduation in 2009. The car had two issues in our combined ownership for 10 years -- panoramic sunroof had a warping problem on the track, and the rear window regulator blew. Other than that it was totally flawless until 165K miles when the head gasket started leaking bad. He was looking at a $2000 fix, and then another 20K miles looking at another timing belt replacement, so it was time to trade it in for something else. He loved the car, but loves his Kia Optima just as much I think.

He'll probably miss the awesome AWD come winter though.
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Re: Starting to get a little frustrated with the Jeep...my tale of woe

I've owned my 2012 Overland V8 for over a year and at this point, I'm not sure I'd ever buy another Jeep/Chrysler vehicle.

I've had several issue that required a trip to the dealership to fix.
- FCW and Blind Spot Detection Failure (x2)
- Rattling sound under front passenger seat
- Squealing Brakes
- NAV Radio Unresponsive
- Rear Flipper Glass mis-aligned

I've also noticed that my WK2 suffers from several other problems that have been mentioned on this forum (excessive rust/corrossion on brakes, wheels, & rotors; heat damaged DRLs) that will eventually lead to problems.

My previous vehicle (2005 Toyota 4Runner V8 4x4) had an issue with its CATs causing a bad smell from the exhaust. But other than that, there wasn't a single electrical or mechanical problem encountered in the 6 years I owned it! All that was needed was regular maintenance.

So my American made WK2 has had FAR more problems. While I like the features and ability of current vehicle has, the reliability has already been far below that of the Japanese built 4Runner.
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I've owned my 2012 Overland V8 for over a year and at this point, I'm not sure I'd ever buy another Jeep/Chrysler vehicle.

I've had several issue that required a trip to the dealership to fix.
- FCW and Blind Spot Detection Failure (x2)
- Rattling sound under front passenger seat
- Squealing Brakes
- NAV Radio Unresponsive
- Rear Flipper Glass mis-aligned

I've also noticed that my WK2 suffers from several other problems that have been mentioned on this forum (excessive rust/corrossion on brakes, wheels, & rotors; heat damaged DRLs) that will eventually lead to problems.

My previous vehicle (2005 Toyota 4Runner V8 4x4) had an issue with its CATs causing a bad smell from the exhaust. But other than that, there wasn't a single electrical or mechanical problem encountered in the 6 years I owned it! All that was needed was regular maintenance.

So my American made WK2 has had FAR more problems. While I like the features and ability of current vehicle has, the reliability has already been far below that of the Japanese built 4Runner.
I'm not defending the problems, but I was at the Audi and Mercedes dealerships over the last couple of weekend and most of their brand new cars had rusting rotors, I was appalled, as I had never noticed this at non-Euro dealerships... I was told it was normal for those brands, so this may explain the Jeeps now having a rusting problem on that part, if they are being sourced from the same places...
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I'm not defending the problems, but I was at the Audi and Mercedes dealerships over the last couple of weekend and most of their brand new cars had rusting rotors, I was appalled, as I had never noticed this at non-Euro dealerships... I was told it was normal for those brands, so this may explain the Jeeps now having a rusting problem on that part, if they are being sourced from the same places...
I'm sorry. But I find that very, very hard to believe.
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I'm sorry. But I find that very, very hard to believe.
I do too, but having seen too many for it to be a defect, it may be a Houston weather thing, but when I saw the 10 Audis in front of the dealership front door have the rust, and see a bunch of new MB at the Mercedes dealership with the same issue, I was shocked. I would never buy a car with the rusting I saw on those rotors, I don't care that they say it is cosmetic and normal. We looked at a SL550 with AMG wheels, and it had no rusting, and was a very fun ride which we may get within the next few weeks :-).
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I'm sorry. But I find that very, very hard to believe.
It's true. My Acura TSX wagon, my Saab 9-5 -- leave it for more than a day or two, you get rust on the rotors. Looks awful. Soon as you drive it though, the rust comes right off. It takes longer for the rust to develop on areas that aren't hit with the pads, but on the pad-contact surface area, rust happens VERY quickly. I don't know what rotors were on the Acura, but I had bought Zimmermans for the Saab.
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I do too, but having seen too many for it to be a defect, it may be a Houston weather thing, but when I saw the 10 Audis in front of the dealership front door have the rust, and see a bunch of new MB at the Mercedes dealership with the same issue, I was shocked. I would never buy a car with the rusting I saw on those rotors, I don't care that they say it is cosmetic and normal. We looked at a SL550 with AMG wheels, and it had no rusting, and was a very fun ride which we may get within the next few weeks :-).
The rust that develops on the brake rotors of vehicles sitting on a dealers lot is normal since they usually hire an outside service to come by at least once a week and power wash the vehicles on their lot. Since they don't normally move the vehicles, of course the rotors will rust. It is after all bare metal.
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All awesome tips except for that last one.....
We're on the same page. I should have been more precise with my language. I use anti-seize on the nut-to-wheel surface only. Those are dissimilar metals, thus the aluminum wheel is prone to pitting, while the nut and stud are both steel.
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I'm not defending the problems, but I was at the Audi and Mercedes dealerships over the last couple of weekend and most of their brand new cars had rusting rotors, I was appalled, as I had never noticed this at non-Euro dealerships... I was told it was normal for those brands, so this may explain the Jeeps now having a rusting problem on that part, if they are being sourced from the same places...
I'm not going to bother to look this up but it is my understanding that all OEM rotors are plain cast iron. I'm sure there are some exotics and some aftermarket rotors that have some alloy in them (I've bought them before and they turned out to be crap).

Iron is the best material for rotors and iron will quickly develop an oxide layer (rust) to protect itself. In humid climates it will be more noticeable. I suppose if you had the car parked near the beach or salt-covered road the rust could, over time, pit and ruin the rotor. But even on a new car lot sitting for a month the rust shouldn't be a problem.

Unless you have a car set up for long term storage you should never let it sit longer than a month without at least driving it around the block. Not just for the brakes but for all the other parts...

I'm guessing that you see more rust on Euro dealerships that you mentioned because they are expensive cars and they don't move off the lot as fast as less expensive vehicles.
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What y'all are saying makes sense! I went to a used car lot last week and the car we test drove almost had a dead battery, which fits in with what y'all are saying about turnover. I have typically frequented domestic dealerships with a high turnover, so didn't think slow turnover would lead to the rusting. With that said, it does look awful, and would have made me not purchase one, if I hadn't heard y'all's comments. Too bad the dealerships I have visited in the area say its normal, instead of explaining it!
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No extended warranty as of now, I'll decide as I get closer to the end of the factory warranty.

I'm very disappointed, I LOVE the Jeep. We just got back from a highway trip to the mountains of WV to visit family and I just really, really like this vehicle and I'd like to keep it, but I wouldn't be able to without a warranty at this rate of failure, and even with a warranty its a huge hassle.

We'll see what the next 6 months or so hold, thats about how long until I get to the end of the warranty. There really isn't any other vehicle I want out there...at this point I don't think my wife would let me try another Jeep. I like the vehicle enough I'd be willing to try another one...but she doesn't.[/QUOTE]


I understand I had problems with my 2010 GC and said f'it and traded it in on my12. I've been fortunate with the 12. I had MY10 in the shop at least once a month over a years time. When the service department messed up my dash and said "it was a characteristic of the vehicle" and told me to make a wood shimmy so the drivers side didn't sag and my A pillar didn't fly out in front of my inspection sticker I went to a different dealership and bought MY12. I love this Jeep and has so far been flawless except for the self load leveling shocks. My gist though is going from a 2010 to a 2012 the quality of the two aren't even comparable and it saddens me to see that you are having so many little things go wrong. What part of WV were you in? the state has many nice scenic drives and parks ect...
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