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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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To quote PT Barnum "There is a sucker born every minute"
Go to your dealer and ask what it cost for a repair or maintenance. Then go to local garages around town. I GUARANTEE that the local garages charge less, often less than half the price at a car dealer. Now you decide, do you want to pay up front for a maintenance program that will cost you up to TWICE as much as if you pay as you go. Sure, they are making a great deal of money...off of the "suckers born every minute".
The problem, of course, is finding a reliable, honest and up to date on your brand's technology private mechanic. Brakes/oil, etc are one thing. Complicated electronics quite another.

Ever hear the phrase "jack of all trades, master of none"? That's what concerns me when more complicated repairs or work is attempted by some guy with but a HS education. It isn't like the old days, when a mechanic's knowledge of electronics began and ended with coils, ground and continuity.
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Right, the more economical thing is to buy something 3 years old and keep it for 10+ years. But...I'm a car guy and I get a lot of enjoyment out of my cars...its worth the expense to me.

TopGear is entertainment...nothing more.
This is SO true. It would be best to buy a 3 year old car & keep it forever.

Such would also be immensely dull. I could also eat mac & cheese every day, wear clothing from the Salvation Army and never travel to save money, but where's the fun in that?

As I said, I live 80& responsibly- we max out for retirement, save for the future, do our own work around the house, etc., but also want 20% for fun. Tomorrow could always be your last day-- and I had one bout of an illness that in an earlier time would have killed me, so I appreciate having a little fun so long as I'm 80% on track.
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All I can say is.......It's a Jeep thing. BMW owners wouldn't understand. Jeep owners will.
I'm a Jeep owner and I have no idea what this even means...

As someone who owns a luxury car (not a BMW) I can tell you that the ease of the service process is more important than the price. My time is too valuable to be driving around town looking for the best price. I want to pull in, get in the loaner and go. The BMW free maintenance is great for a customer like me because its simple, included, and it preserves my most valuable asset...my time. I almost chose the 535 over my Lexus GS simply because of the maintenance.

It's a luxury car thing. I suppose Jeep owners wouldn't understand according to your logic.
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I'm a Jeep owner and I have no idea what this even means...

As someone who owns a luxury car (not a BMW) I can tell you that the ease of the service process is more important than the price. My time is too valuable to be driving around town looking for the best price. I want to pull in, get in the loaner and go. The BMW free maintenance is great for a customer like me because its simple, included, and it preserves my most valuable asset...my time. I almost chose the 535 over my Lexus GS simply because of the maintenance.

It's a luxury car thing. I suppose Jeep owners wouldn't understand according to your logic.
Off roading is in the blood. Obviously you are too busy to off road, so I wonder why you even own a jeep. You also obviously have more money than you know what to do with, as you are willing to throw it away. For the rest of us working stiffs, getting a good deal and keeping some of the hard earned cash in our pockets is more important. To each their own. And again, it is not free maintenance, you paid for it when you bought it!!!
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It's a luxury car thing. I suppose Jeep owners wouldn't understand according to your logic.
Its a wealth and disposable income thing. If an expensive car with all the perks is a reasonable expense, you are the perfect consumer for that product. If your time is more valuable than money, great. Time IS money for most of us, saving time = saving money during business hours. A motivated producer can't afford to sit around at a car shop for service. Buy a high end vehicle in that case.

As for us working stiffs, many of us change our own oil and turn wrenches if possible, we have time when we can't get paid and we use it to save money where we can....and spend way less on transportation out of necessity.

One size does not fit all.

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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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Off roading is in the blood. Obviously you are too busy to off road, so I wonder why you even own a jeep. You also obviously have more money than you know what to do with, as you are willing to throw it away. For the rest of us working stiffs, getting a good deal and keeping some of the hard earned cash in our pockets is more important. To each their own. And again, it is not free maintenance, you paid for it when you bought it!!!
Getting a good deal is important to most of us, me included. Off roading may or may not be in the blood, but are you really going to take your new 50K diesel Overland into the brush and rocks? We shall again consider an Overland to replace the wife's Sienna in 1-2 years once the kids are a bit older & less messy/busy (I'm seeing 5-7K year just on soccer/theater).

I like the idea that a Jeep CAN do various things, but "keeping some of the hard earned cash in our pockets" means I am highly unlikely to trash a new Overland in the woods. If that's what I wanted to do I'd buy an old Wrangler.

I can't say that a pleasant service experience isn't worth something. Two local Jeep dealers I went to had service departments filled with people that reminded me of a cross between "Wal Mart" and "Deliverance". All joking aside, if I'm to pay $45-50K for a Jeep I damned well expect a loaner of the the vehicle will be there overnight or longer.
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Getting a good deal is important to most of us, me included. Off roading may or may not be in the blood, but are you really going to take your new 50K diesel Overland into the brush and rocks? We shall again consider an Overland to replace the wife's Sienna in 1-2 years once the kids are a bit older & less messy/busy (I'm seeing 5-7K year just on soccer/theater).

I like the idea that a Jeep CAN do various things, but "keeping some of the hard earned cash in our pockets" means I am highly unlikely to trash a new Overland in the woods. If that's what I wanted to do I'd buy an old Wrangler.

I can't say that a pleasant service experience isn't worth something. Two local Jeep dealers I went to had service departments filled with people that reminded me of a cross between "Wal Mart" and "Deliverance". All joking aside, if I'm to pay $45-50K for a Jeep I damned well expect a loaner of the the vehicle will be there overnight or longer.
I totally agree on the loaner. I think any dealer keeping a car overnight or longer should provide a loaner free of charge. As for the off roading, We use my wife's Wrangler for now, and will let the "newness" of mine wear off before I do any serious off roading. But, that is what it is built for
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One size does not fit all.
This is precisely my point. You guys are the ones attacking the way BMW does things, its not me attacking the way Jeep does things. I'm simply trying to explain to you why the included maintenance is attractive to a BMW consumer, and why it absolutely is a selling point as to why someone would purchase a BMW.

You all rattling on about how you do your own oil changes and whatever is meaningless because you aren't the same consumer that JWS and I am.

Its a different thing entirely from Jeep. I will tell you though, when you get up to $50,000 in price which these Jeeps do, the dealer experience is a big deal IMHO. My Jeep has been in the shop a lot, and the dealer experience is certainly 5 or 6 steps down from the experience someone would have in a lot of other $50k vehicles, loaners, etc.

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Off roading is in the blood. Obviously you are too busy to off road, so I wonder why you even own a jeep.
Why do you assume I have never offroaded simply because I care more about spening half a day of my time on something than saving $50 on a service visit? You've ordered a $50,000 vehicle there yourself...I'm sure you'll be blasting it around in mudholes the first day

My Jeep has been offroad....but newsflash...99.5% of Jeep owners never take their Jeeps offroad. I bought the Jeep because I wanted a stylish, comfortable, good looking vehicle to take on trips and to drive confidently in all weather. Thats the target market for the JGC.
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I took my Overland off road once. The interstate was all backed up, so I took an exit, but then wanted to get back on the interstate so I did a u-turn in the grassy area, so I probably was off road for about a distance of one car length!
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I took my Overland off road once. The interstate was all backed up, so I took an exit, but then wanted to get back on the interstate so I did a u-turn in the grassy area, so I probably was off road for about a distance of one car length!
Then I guess you have earned the right to own a Jeep according to this guy LOL
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I took my Overland off road once. The interstate was all backed up, so I took an exit, but then wanted to get back on the interstate so I did a u-turn in the grassy area, so I probably was off road for about a distance of one car length!
LOL! But, you're right--that's about as far "off road" as most Jeeps get.

I readily admit that I wouldn't take a 50K vehicle too far off road. Why would I get one? Because I like the fact that it CAN should the need arise. I like my paint and body work un-dinged and crapped up.
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This is precisely my point. You guys are the ones attacking the way BMW does things, its not me attacking the way Jeep does things. I'm simply trying to explain to you why the included maintenance is attractive to a BMW consumer, and why it absolutely is a selling point as to why someone would purchase a BMW.

You all rattling on about how you do your own oil changes and whatever is meaningless because you aren't the same consumer that JWS and I am.

Its a different thing entirely from Jeep. I will tell you though, when you get up to $50,000 in price which these Jeeps do, the dealer experience is a big deal IMHO. My Jeep has been in the shop a lot, and the dealer experience is certainly 5 or 6 steps down from the experience someone would have in a lot of other $50k vehicles, loaners, etc.




Why do you assume I have never offroaded simply because I care more about spening half a day of my time on something than saving $50 on a service visit? You've ordered a $50,000 vehicle there yourself...I'm sure you'll be blasting it around in mudholes the first day

My Jeep has been offroad....but newsflash...99.5% of Jeep owners never take their Jeeps offroad. I bought the Jeep because I wanted a stylish, comfortable, good looking vehicle to take on trips and to drive confidently in all weather. Thats the target market for the JGC.
I am not bashing how BMW does business. I am a little offended that you come into the jeep forum and bash other jeep owners with your better than thou attitude. Maybe you need to stick to the BMW forums instead of ticking off the LOYAL jeep owners in here
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