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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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I recently went through the same dilemma with BMW/Jeep. I drove BMWs for the last 12 years. I had a '99 328i, '06 328i, '08 X3 and lastly an '11 528i.

I wanted an SUV and I looked at the new X3s (I don't need a guzzling X5 and the wife liked the X3). My biggest issue was that after 12 years, it felt like the same damn car every time. It didn't feel like I had something new. Just the new car scent and the same damn interior. Very little changed.

I looked at the JGC, Audi, X3, Tahoe, Acadia and even the Buick SUVs.

In the end, I took my 528i to CarMax, got a great deal and my dealer picked me up at the CarMax so I could hop into my new '14 Overland. Just pulled the trigger 2 weeks ago.

My reasons:
-More features than my BMW had.
-My monthly payment dropped $100/mo (even with extra warranty to cover 15k/yr miles on the lease).
-My insurance dropped $600/year.
-Navigation is amazing compared to the BMW crappy system. Horrible routing too!
-Touch screen compared to that annoying wheel to enter data.
-Cheaper gas.
-The '14 JGC actually has a very smooth ride, for 20" wheels.
-I can actually get our kid's stroller in the back (528i trunk was big, opening was not).
-I can see the road ahead of me, past other cars since I'm not sitting 12" above the street.

The dealership experience is VASTLY different and that will take a little getting used to. You're pampered at most BMW shops but I've built up a good rapport with the Svc dept at my dealer and they're pretty cool with me. Plus I like that i can go to the Goodyear shop 2 blocks from my office for maintenance as an option.
While we are quite past the stroller days, we still have a Sienna minivan which we'll keep for another year or two. The plan is to get an Overland in addition to the 335xi. We need another year of seasoning on the Overland to see if they add front park sensors and a few more options. I'd be happy with a BMW on one side of the garage & Overland on the other.

You are right about the dealer experience. When i walked into my local Jeep dealer I felt like I was in Kmart.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:57 AM
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If you're not secure enough in your masculinity to drive something you want to drive that is driven mostly by women, buy a Viper or something.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty secure. You're the one who sounds butt hurt and insecure. It's simply my opinion. If my opinion upsets you maybe you check into reading a bedtime children's book. They are usually pretty soothing.

As for the Viagra link, again, you sound like your feelings were hurt, so hurt that you went searching, not very far I suspect, to find a link for Viagra. Funny.

My opinion about suv's differs from yours. I think they are for people who want to be able to go anywhere. I take mine offroad regulary, couldn't do that with a viper or an x3. But the viper is sweet, and I do want one. Who wouldn't, if they could, right?

Back to the meds suggestion, I posted an opinion and you flew off the handle a little bit. Not mad at you, but you did a little bit. It's okay to admit. I think maybe you should limit you're intake a bit. Someone so quick to suggest medication is probably on medication. My suggestion to you is to go exercise. Run outdoors, stop doing whatever drug you do that causes you to experience butthurtism when reading opinions that differ from yours.

Again, just my opinion SW. Cheer up pal, you'll live longer. And remember, exercise.

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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

Like many others, I usually consider the BMW X3 a "girls" car.

Now... the X5 is another animal all together!
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As for the Viagra link, again, you sound like your feelings were hurt, so hurt that you went searching, not very far I suspect, to find a link for Viagra. Funny.
LOL, my feelings aren't hurt at all. I don't own a BMW X3...I just find you amusing because you're driving a vehicle driven probably 85% of the time by women and you're calling other vehicles "girls cars" and chose to have a little fun at your expense. Only person going "off the handle" about it here is you. Can't take a joke?

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Good for you. 95% of the other people in the world buy JGC's to pick their kids up from school, take them to soccer practice and ballet recitals. How is you using this vehicle for your purpose any different than a man driving an X3? Both are vehicles overwhelmingly driven by women to the grocery store.

My wife loves driving her "girls car" around...when its not in the shop. Glad you enjoy your "girls car" too and can feel "manly" in it LOL
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All SUVs are basically "girls cars". If you're not secure enough in your masculinity to drive something you want to drive that is driven mostly by women, buy a Viper or something.
LOL....woman want to be like men today....and vise versa, it seems.

I own one of the few non-feminine SUVs....a 4WD Excursion Diesel. Its a man's truck for sure...Super Duty frame, lifted, big tires, 5 inch exhaust, off road suspension....drives horrible like a big truck should....LOL! Never operated by a woman either.

...but my GC Diesel will be here in a week. Its a baby's toy in comparison, but will be perfect as a high mileage business vehicle. I could care less if its a chic ride or not...I like it.

I did see an X3 and its tiny. I'd rather have a 5 series at that point. Since I run the wheels off my business ride, an expensive luxury vehicle makes no sense. The repairs after 100k are mega pricey from everything I've read. The GC Diesel may be costly too if the air suspension fails....we'll see.

To those who EXPECT certain things in the 50k Jeep to be comparable to the all inclusive BMW experience, tack on 15k and you can have it. The GC Summit and Overland's competition is priced way higher feature for feature. Just pay cash for the service and rent your own car for the difference in price.

If you have to finance or lease that fancy ride, maybe you aren't as financial sound as you think you are! Just saying most Americans are in debt up to their eyeballs trying to keep their appearances up.

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SW, if you are honest with yourself you would admit younger girls generally drive the liberty, x3 and other smaller SUV's and most people on the forum that own the jeep GC are guys. Sure there are a few gals here, and I think that's awesome. But the majority are male. That smells like opinion twisted into fact. But, start a pole and find out for yourself. Numbers don't lie.

For you to say all SUVs are girl cars is laughable. Again, I think you are stating opinion and passing it off as fact. And for you to try to use 4 people who "live on your block" as a basis for your ridiculous argument destroys any credibility you may have had. I like you though, you're easy to take apart.

If you consider this fun, keep bringing the BS analysis and ill keep exposing you. I'm not bothered by you personally, just by your borderline stupid and totally manufactured "facts"

My problem is I can't resist telling it like it is, and your problem, from what I can tell is, that the reality of what I said makes you feel inferior in some way, for some reason, hence the Viagra comeback when you ran out made up facts.

But again, I like you.

Did you relax yet?

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Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

As far as financing goes, it's a good idea if you can get 0 percent apr or close to it. But that's just my opinion.

Why give a dealer that pile of cash when you can keep it in your pocket?

I did pay cash for my boat because I didn't want a pleasure item like that to be a monthly expense. If you've ever owned a boat though you'd know they are a monthly expense by nature-gas, maintenance ect. Boat=Break Out Another Thousand.





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LOL....woman want to be like men today....and vise versa, it seems.
Apparently so LOL

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...but my GC Diesel will be here in a week. Its a baby's toy in comparison, but will be perfect as a high mileage business vehicle. I could care less if its a chic ride or not...I like it.
Exactly...what is a "chick ride" or whatever? Who cares.

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I did see an X3 and its tiny. I'd rather have a 5 series at that point. Since I run the wheels off my business ride, an expensive luxury vehicle makes no sense. The repairs after 100k are mega pricey from everything I've read. The GC Diesel may be costly too if the air suspension fails....we'll see.
The 5 series is more money than the X3. The X3 is tiny though I agree, and like I said earlier in the thread if you like that sort of vehicle I think the Q5 is a better all around choice. Both are too small for our needs though.

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To those who EXPECT certain things in the 50k Jeep to be comparable to the all inclusive BMW experience, tack on 15k and you can have it. The GC Summit and Overland's competition is priced way higher feature for feature. Just pay cash for the service and rent your own car for the difference in price.
I don't expect the service to be equal to BMW/Lexus/ etc. Jeep is not a luxury brand, and they can't offer those types of services because of the price point differential. Service at Jeep is no worse than it is at Ford, Toyota, whatever.

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If you have to finance or lease that fancy ride, maybe you aren't as financial sound as you think you are! Just saying most Americans are in debt up to their eyeballs trying to keep their appearances up.
I personally would never pay cash for a car. I could, but when you can finance a car for such low rates, much lower than you're getting in return on that money invested why would you want to pay cash?

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SW, if you are honest with yourself you would admit younger girls generally drive the liberty, x3 and other smaller SUV's and most people on the forum that own the jeep GC are guys. Sure there are a few gals here, and I think that's awesome. But the majority are male. That smells like opinion twisted into fact. But, start a pole and find out for yourself. Numbers don't lie.

For you to say all SUVs are girl cars is laughable. Again, I think you are stating opinion and passing it off as fact. And for you to try to use 4 people who "live on your block" as a basis for your ridiculous argument destroys any credibility you may have had. I like you though, you're easy to take apart.
LOL, I'm easy to take apart? I'm absolutely f%cking with you and I've got you analyzing and making a case for why the Jeep is a "man's car". Lighten up. I own a Jeep and love my Jeep, your issue with driving a "man's car" is just hilariously insecure and small to me. I can't imagine caring enough about what other people think to even be worried about it.

The majority of ALL SUVs are driven by women. Its predominantly a family vehicle, and in most families the family vehicle is driven by the wife. Just drive down the street and look in the windows of any SUV, most are driven by women.

You can't take the members here as a sample, true most of the members here are guys...but the vast majority of members on auto BB's in general are men, and the vast majority of enthusiasts are men. I belong to two Lexus forums, they have RX forums and guess what? The vast majority of the RX owning members in the forum are men. Does that mean the RX is a "man's car"? I wouldn't drive one.

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How does you calling an X3, a vehicle I do not own a "girls car" make me feel inferior. I have a Jeep...and according to you this makes me a "man"...so shouldn't I be validated by what you're saying?
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If you have to finance or lease that fancy ride, maybe you aren't as financial sound as you think you are! Just saying most Americans are in debt up to their eyeballs trying to keep their appearances up.

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"Maybe" being the key word there. Some people just get bored of their cars quickly and want to "rent" it for 3 yrs then get something new. I personally like to drive something new every few years. I got tired of owning after my first 4 cars.

Agreed, some get in WAY over their head and means. For me, this was a no-brainer as I am saving a good chunk of cash having switched from the 528i to the JGC and having something more practical.
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If you've ever owned a boat though you'd know they are a monthly expense by nature-gas, maintenance ect. Boat=Break Out Another Thousand.
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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

Just for fun. An article about the 10 most popular vehicles for women from Forbes magazine:

Women Seek Different Features When Purchasing a New Vehicle Than Men Do : ROAD & TRAVEL Magazine

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Women might be more inclined than men to buy smaller vehicles, but many prefer large models. Three sport utility vehicles made our list that takes into account both luxury and non-luxury vehicles: The Honda Pilot in seventh place (with 60.28 percent female primary drivers), the Mazda’s CX-7 in eighth (60.19 percent), and the Jeep Grand Cherokee in 10th (59.81 percent).
The #10 overall most popular vehicle with women is the Jeep Grand Cherokee. 59.81% of purchasers are women. Remember, that's purchasers. Our Jeep is bought and financed in my name...but its my wife's vehicle so I would count as one of the 40% of male purchasers.

That means the Grand Cherokee is MORE popular with women than the X3, X5, Liberty, Explorer, Lexus RX, and every other SUV on the road.

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Redskins don't play until tomorrow. I'm having fun...if you aren't then perhaps you're spending too much time on here.
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