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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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Again, apples and oranges. First let me say that I bought a '13 GC, but I was kind of torn too. The Jeep interior is second to none, and it can go where no Audi could even get near. Nut the Q5 3.0 has blazing acceleration, and the AWD helps it take hairpin turns that will change the shape of your face....It's nothing like driving an SUV. Ohhhh...If only we could get all the cars we wanted..... A 911, a 62 Vette, maybe one of those BMW M6s.... Or maybe a Jag......
Yeah, but I WANT my apples and oranges! Funny, though, your list is a lot like mine.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:10 PM
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A properly equipped 535 was just south of $700/month on a lease at $500 over invoice, while we could lease an Overland w/ Adv tech & offroad packages for around $540 based on 2-3% under invoice if memory serves. Thats a big difference--and the extra $ is going towards retirement. The BMW as equipped was around 63-64 MSRP & Overland $49K
That sounds about right. So, the BMW runs $150 more per month...or $5,400 over 36 months. You have to back out of that additional fuel, and maintenance costs on the Jeep you would not have to pay for on the BMW. For instance I put brakes on ours at 27k miles, that was $500. Plus services at $150 each or so every 8k miles, thats $750. According to fueleconomy.gov the V6 JGC costs $400 per year more to fuel than a BMW 535, thats $1200. Remember that if you drive 15k per year the Jeep will be out of warranty during the lease. I have researched what it costs to extend the warranty until the end of the lease, its about $700...or you take the risk (I wouldn't). BMW is under warranty for the whole lease.

So, now that $5,400 difference is reduced to $2,250, or $62.50 per month. Would the car you really want be worth $62.50 more per month to you? It would to me...

Food for thought...
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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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That sounds about right. So, the BMW runs $150 more per month...or $5,400 over 36 months. You have to back out of that additional fuel, and maintenance costs on the Jeep you would not have to pay for on the BMW. For instance I put brakes on ours at 27k miles, that was $500. Plus services at $150 each or so every 8k miles, thats $750. According to fueleconomy.gov the V6 JGC costs $400 per year more to fuel than a BMW 535, thats $1200. Remember that if you drive 15k per year the Jeep will be out of warranty during the lease. I have researched what it costs to extend the warranty until the end of the lease, its about $700...or you take the risk (I wouldn't). BMW is under warranty for the whole lease.

So, now that $5,400 difference is reduced to $2,250, or $62.50 per month. Would the car you really want be worth $62.50 more per month to you? It would to me...

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Wow, that is indeed MUCH to think about, thanks! Hadn't calculated in the maintenance. Gotta do so.

Brakes at 27K? Probably could do myself, but wow, that's little mileage for pads. Our Sienna gets 45-50K on pads. Just did the rear rotors/pad myself at 100K. THe first pads went to 55K or so. Needed front rotors around 80K. Based on my tests, I extrapolate BMW pads will take me to 60-70K, but they do rotors at the same time. I've done past BMWs. The new ones need a freakin' lift just to change the oil!!

Curious, what service does a Jeep need every 8K miles? I usually run synthetic & do it myself every 5K. I thought they needed the Diffs flushed every 25K or so.

Gas mileage is a good point. Lets see.....I do about 12K miles year. A little math (BMW requires premium) means about $2K annually in gas. A V6 JGC using regular should be about $2200, or $600 over 3 years. Would be a much bigger difference if they both used premium.

Wow, do I need to think on this. Really torn on the issue & much appreciate your time and comments. Looking to boost retirement savings even more, just as my kids are in ever more numerous & $$ activities. We have multiple hotel stays over the year just for tournaments. My wife is pushing for the Jeep, so I have to factor her wants into this as well. Still----wow do I LOVE the 535!
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I spend about $50 (for 7 quarts of full synthetic oil and a filter) for the 5.7L V8 in mine every 6 months and do my own oil/filter change. And a tire rotation for $19.95. That's the only cost mine has needed, along with new mopar parts based on the Altitude model so I could de-chrome it. I'm at 21,750 miles now.
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Wow, that is indeed MUCH to think about, thanks! Hadn't calculated in the maintenance. Gotta do so.
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Brakes at 27K? Probably could do myself, but wow, that's little mileage for pads. Our Sienna gets 45-50K on pads. Just did the rear rotors/pad myself at 100K. THe first pads went to 55K or so. Needed front rotors around 80K. Based on my tests, I extrapolate BMW pads will take me to 60-70K, but they do rotors at the same time. I've done past BMWs. The new ones need a freakin' lift just to change the oil!!
Yeah I was surprised. They were incredibly corroded, pads were fine but everything was so gummed up with corrosion that my mechanic recommended just replacing the rotors and pads. He had to use a slide hammer to get the rotors off the hubs.

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Curious, what service does a Jeep need every 8K miles? I usually run synthetic & do it myself every 5K. I thought they needed the Diffs flushed every 25K or so.
Oil change and tire rotation at 8k, that plus an air filter at 16k, pretty much that plus inspections every 8k.

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Gas mileage is a good point. Lets see.....I do about 12K miles year. A little math (BMW requires premium) means about $2K annually in gas. A V6 JGC using regular should be about $2200, or $600 over 3 years. Would be a much bigger difference if they both used premium.
Fueleconomy.gov does the math on that for you, you can compare two vehicles side by side, which is where I got the $400.

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Still----wow do I LOVE the 535!
I'm getting the sense that you're like me. If you want the 535, you're gonna want the 535.
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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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Yeah I was surprised. They were incredibly corroded, pads were fine but everything was so gummed up with corrosion that my mechanic recommended just replacing the rotors and pads. He had to use a slide hammer to get the rotors off the hubs.

Oil change and tire rotation at 8k, that plus an air filter at 16k, pretty much that plus inspections every 8k.

Fueleconomy.gov does the math on that for you, you can compare two vehicles side by side, which is where I got the $400.

I'm getting the sense that you're like me. If you want the 535, you're gonna want the 535.
Wow, corroded at 27K? Any off road use which may explain that? When I install new rotors I coat the inside with a light amount of anti-seize. I do the same thing to wheels when rotating them as well. They come off way easier in the future that way.

Never heard of fuel economy.gov. Great site to keep in mind for the future, thanks!

Still pondering. Wife looked at Limited tan interior this evening & pronounced the Overland tan to be superior.

Gotta get some final numbers & make a damned decision. Much as I love the 535, I'm trying to keep in mind that I'll likely be less enamored with it in 2 years as I pay a higher bill every month. Newness wears off after a bit, but watching my retirement funds grow so I can have freedom sooner than later is good, too. Its all about balance.

Again, thanks for taking the time to help. Much appreciated!
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I went from a 335i to a 2014 Overland and I am happy with my purchase. I wanted to do something totally different and believe me I got it. The Jeep very comfortable and the electronics are much better and it has all-around capability. I miss the 335i performance especially merging on the highway and high speed performance.
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I went from a 335i to a 2014 Overland and I am happy with my purchase. I wanted to do something totally different and believe me I got it. The Jeep very comfortable and the electronics are much better and it has all-around capability. I miss the 335i performance especially merging on the highway and high speed performance.
My dilemma exactly. I really want one of each. In time. The wife likes Jeeps, so we'll get one eventually. I'm on my 2nd 335xi & am finding them just too small as the kids get bigger & we need to carry more stuff. The 535 gives more room & a different level of refinement.

Give me an Overland with 30mpg, 0-60 in 5.5 or less AND the off road ability of a "Trail Rated" version & we're good.

Oh wait, they have that already. I think its called a Porsche Cayenne! Too much $$ for me.
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I have a 2011 Jeep GC... mine has been fine for quality and reliability.

Both are great vehicles in different ways. I drove a BMW X3 and X5 and I did not come up with a list of negatives for either, I just like the way I sit in the Jeep and the way it drives.
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Wow, corroded at 27K? Any off road use which may explain that? When I install new rotors I coat the inside with a light amount of anti-seize. I do the same thing to wheels when rotating them as well. They come off way easier in the future that way.
Nothing unusual, no offroading really...some gravel roads. No use any different than other vehicles we've had. My mechanic was really surprised by the level of corrosion...

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Gotta get some final numbers & make a damned decision. Much as I love the 535, I'm trying to keep in mind that I'll likely be less enamored with it in 2 years as I pay a higher bill every month. Newness wears off after a bit, but watching my retirement funds grow so I can have freedom sooner than later is good, too. Its all about balance.
Some things are worth what you pay for them. Anyways, when you go to retire that $2,500 difference over 3 years isn't going to make a hill of beans worth of difference...
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Is there any room for consideration of the WK2 diesel? If fuel economy is among the key considerations this may be something else to ponder. Not to mention acceleration around the "doddering" masses at hwy speed. Paying a premium for the engine, but if you're keeping it for a long time and do significant miles/yr it will cover the cost of the engine/diesel compared to V6/gas. Much discussion on various threads re diesel v gas.
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Is there any room for consideration of the WK2 diesel? If fuel economy is among the key considerations this may be something else to ponder. Not to mention acceleration around the "doddering" masses at hwy speed. Paying a premium for the engine, but if you're keeping it for a long time and do significant miles/yr it will cover the cost of the engine/diesel compared to V6/gas.
Thought about diesel, but at a $4500 premium and only 12K miles/year it would take me many years to recoup the cost based on local fuel costs.

Acceleration is just plain 'ol fun, IMO. Launching past the plodding and inattentive isn't often necessary, but once you get used to 0-60 in under 5 seconds most other cars feel slow. I'm not one to swerve and weave or otherwise be dangerous, but do confess to a modest lack of patience when stuck behind those who can't seem to get near the often ridiculously speed limits set not with engineering in mind, but revenue generation.

Just tonight the boss (wife) declared that if/when we get a Jeep she prefers the Overland. We're still bouncing around the idea of a Jeep now, which she'll take after 2-3 years or one later. My 335xi lease runs in 2 months. In an ideal world we'd have BOTH a 535 and Overland now instead of eventually, but I'd rather put more $ into retirement.
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