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Old 09-06-2013, 10:08 AM
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No such thing as free maintenance. You paid that upfront when you bought the vehicle. I'm sure they probably tack on 5-10 grand to the price tag. Trust me, they are not going to lose $$$.
Yes, yes....air is the only thing you don't pay for in this world...and they are working on taxing that.

Anyone that thinks something is "free" from a business who's express purpose is to make money is indeed not looking at the big picture. "Free" is marketing hype...you're paying for it, trust me.

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Old 09-06-2013, 10:47 AM
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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

Air pumps all around here now have a quarter slot!
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In California , I believe gas stations have to give you free air if you buy gas. Most stations will turn on the air for free if you ask, or if it's an old fashioned type, they'll give you a red quarter.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:18 PM
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In California , I believe gas stations have to give you free air if you buy gas. Most stations will turn on the air for free if you ask, or if it's an old fashioned type, they'll give you a red quarter.
"Free if you buy"....complementary is more accurate. The consumer always pays one way or the other.

Salesman: "Free oil changes with the purchase if a 70k car!....look how much money you save!" (Hint: none)

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Old 09-06-2013, 04:15 PM
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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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BMW free maintenance is waiting for an oil change until computer tells you to go in which is usually past 15,000 miles or after one year if you don't put on enough miles.
So? I always follow manufacturer recommended service intervals...and if thats their service interval thats what I'm going to do. If the Jeep can go 8k miles on dino oil, a BMW can go 15k on synthetic.

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No such thing as free maintenance. You paid that upfront when you bought the vehicle. I'm sure they probably tack on 5-10 grand to the price tag. Trust me, they are not going to lose $$$.
Theres a premium for a BMW over say a Lexus, but not really an Audi or Mercedes...which do not have free maintenance.

If you lease like the OP...the free maintenance is great because you aren't paying anything to maintain a vehicle that isn't yours.
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:31 PM
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Its all about perceived value. If you think its a great deal and you want it, the total cost of ownership is irrelevant. Leasing in and of itself is an example of this...

Its human nature.

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Re: Still can't decide: Overland or BMW X3

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So? I always follow manufacturer recommended service intervals...and if thats their service interval thats what I'm going to do. If the Jeep can go 8k miles on dino oil, a BMW can go 15k on synthetic.



Theres a premium for a BMW over say a Lexus, but not really an Audi or Mercedes...which do not have free maintenance.

If you lease like the OP...the free maintenance is great because you aren't paying anything to maintain a vehicle that isn't yours.
EXACTLY! Leasing is, of course, a waste of money. But, so long as I live 80% responsibly I have no issue with 20% for "fun". Keeping within the 20% is why I passed on the 5 series.

I still like the JGC and we will strongly consider one in a year or two. We need to see front parking sensors in the Overland and a bit more reliability first, however.
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Op, stick with the bmw. I just got a 2014 gc limited and came from a lexus and b4 lexus, i had a 328 bmw. While i am not disappointed "yet", you definitely see the difference. For example a lot of us are suffering with issues with the uconnect, remote start not keeping the ac on once u open the door, at times the one touch open or close on the sunroof not working, at times having to press the lock twice when locking it from the door handle. Oh and when you have to take it in for service or f)ck ups from factory? You are going to be paying for a rental car, not like bmw nor lexus where we get free loaner cars.

Big issues? Lol, nahhhh, but then again i have only 2k miles on mine right now lol. Id stick to bmw. I did t go with bmw bc i wanted the x5 and it was too much $; and the lexus suv isnt my thing, already had one.

Think about. If it was bc you wanted the hemi as in my case, then i can put up with some of this but if you seem to be going for the 6 cylinder not worth the us auto builder's down falls.
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:09 PM
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We may contemplate a diesel in a year or 2, even though at US gas prices and our average mileage it would take us a decade just to break even,

For now, we are getting another 335xi (a 2014) and will hold off on a Jeep until then. Our hope is that the Overland will have front parking sensors by then, something my wife VERY much needs. Seems kinda stupid that only the Summit has them.....
It appears as though you are comparing the V6 petrol to the diesel. Please don't take this wrong, but you are IMO making an amateur mistake of comparing engines because they both have 6 cylinders when you should be comparing the diesel to the V8. So when you say you have a payback of a decade, you don't, you are looking at two different vehicles/engines in a V6 and a 3.0l turbo diesel. The performance is nothing alike.

The 3.0l turbo diesel is more like a V8 hemi in performance without the high fuel consumption. The torque is unbelievable and as mention on here can be tuned a lot higher if you aren't happy with the stock acceleration. If you aren't happy with the GC's diesel acceleration then you won't be happy with the hemi.

The Aussie Overland comes with the park sensors and along with the rear camera it makes parking easy. I have a tight, steep drive coupled with a tight garage which requires a bit of tricky manoeuvring even with a small car. Without the sensors and the camera my paint work would be all scratched up now. You should hear the sensors going off when I park, I have to check the EVIC to see which sensor is the most critical because 3 of the 4 corners are sensing
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It appears as though you are comparing the V6 petrol to the diesel. Please don't take this wrong, but you are IMO making an amateur mistake of comparing engines because they both have 6 cylinders when you should be comparing the diesel to the V8. So when you say you have a payback of a decade, you don't, you are looking at two different vehicles/engines in a V6 and a 3.0l turbo diesel. The performance is nothing alike.

The 3.0l turbo diesel is more like a V8 hemi in performance without the high fuel consumption. The torque is unbelievable and as mention on here can be tuned a lot higher if you aren't happy with the stock acceleration. If you aren't happy with the GC's diesel acceleration then you won't be happy with the hemi.

The Aussie Overland comes with the park sensors and along with the rear camera it makes parking easy. I have a tight, steep drive coupled with a tight garage which requires a bit of tricky manoeuvring even with a small car. Without the sensors and the camera my paint work would be all scratched up now. You should hear the sensors going off when I park, I have to check the EVIC to see which sensor is the most critical because 3 of the 4 corners are sensing
From what I've read on various car magazine sites, the diesel has somewhat lackluster 0-60 times of around 7.5-7.8, which isn't all that much faster than the V6. Once one gets used to sub 5 second times everything else seems slow! And, yes, I know this is unrealistic in a JGC. We'll trade some acceleration for capability and fuel economy in an SUV.

Yes, the performance with the diesel is a bit better, but at $4500 US more the real number in my mind is fuel economy. In my area, diesel is generally priced about 15-20 % more +/- more than gasoline. Since the diesel here appears to give roughly proportionally similar higher mileage, the break even is quite far off. Yes, it is a superior motor (assuming reliability & resale, depreciation are similar, etc), but at $4500 more value must factor into the equation. See here:
Do Diesel Cars And Trucks Save You Money? Not Always - Forbes

We are going to revisit the issue in another year or so and see how well the diesel sells and if they put the damned parking sensors on the Overland. For now, I'll stick with the 335xi and my wife her Sienna van. Might as well put more miles on the old minivan while the kids still need to be everywhere and anywhere for a few more years.
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And if I lived anywhere near such a beach I would!

I just ordered a '14 335xi. Like I said, we will revisit the Overland in a year or two. Hopefully by then they'll offer front park sensors in the Overland and have more of the bugs worked out.
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