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No definite plans to buy mine out of the lease, but I'm hoping to and I still invested in dedicated winter tires. It's not worth it to me to cheap out on them and the difference is night and day between the Forteras performance in the snow. Only my experience though.
...and that's your choice and personal opinion. Some don't feel the same as you do. We all need to be open to others ideas and thoughts.

Not arguing, just trying to point out that not everyone HAS to upgrade their tires. As i said earlier, mine were totally fine for me in the snow here in NY on my '08 WK.

It's funny to think that we on the Jeeps forums are the only ones that nit-pick everything little thing. When in reality we probably make up like 3% of all WK2's on the road, lol. I highly doubt all those other jeep owners are worried about upgrading tires on their brand new cars as soon as they get home from the dealer. I am yet to see another WK2 in my area with something other than GY Forteras.

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Old 11-25-2014, 01:50 PM
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...and that's your choice and personal opinion. Some don't feel the same as you do. We all need to be open to others ideas and thoughts.

Not arguing, just trying to point out that not everyone HAS to upgrade their tires.

Its funny to think that we on the Jeeps forums are the only ones that nit-pick everything little thing. When in reality we probably make up like 3% of all WK2's on the road, lol. I highly doubt all those other jeep owners are worried about upgrading tires on their brand new cars as soon as they get home from the dealer. I am yet to see another WK2 in my area with something other than GY Forteras.
That's fine, I'm completely open to other opinions and thoughts. I was just replying to your statement about why anyone with a lease would pay for an extra set of snow tires.

Just because the stock set does okay in the snow wasn't good enough for me and most people don't even know about the overall benefits of snow tires. I had to explain to my parents for a few hours about what I "wasted my money on" while I also drove up their driveway with no problem and they had to leave their car at the bottom of the hill because they have Pirelli POS runflats that cost an arm and a leg...Says it all right there. And I bet if more people were widely informed about those benefits, you'd see more people switching to winter tires when it gets cold.

And I don't know about your area, but I've already started seeing a ton of people around here putting their snow tires on and we haven't even seen any snow yet. Just yesterday actually, I saw a broke down looking minivan with a brand new set of Blizzaks on. Probably a wise choice by that person if you ask me. So I don't think there is as small of a margin of people as you may think whom care enough to invest in them. If you don't want to, by all means don't. But to deny their advantages is ignorant.
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Old 11-25-2014, 02:02 PM
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That's fine, I'm completely open to other opinions and thoughts. I was just replying to your statement about why anyone with a lease would pay for an extra set of snow tires.

And I don't know about your area, but I've already started seeing a ton of people around here putting their snow tires on and we haven't even seen any snow yet. Just yesterday actually, I saw a broke down looking minivan with a brand new set of Blizzaks on. Probably a wise choice by that person if you ask me. So I don't think there is as small of a margin of people as you may think whom care enough to invest in them. If you don't want to, by all means don't. But to deny their advantages is ignorant.
I was ONLY talking about WK2's hense my statement about new jeep owners.

Here on the island GC's are very popular. In my office parking lot alone right now i can count 4 WK2's not including mine, none of which have swapped out the stock tires for winter tires.

Granted we had our fair share of snow storms last year (that was a freak occurrence) and rarely happens. Typically no more than 1 (MAYBE 2) big snow storms pass over us in any given winter. The rest of the time were talking 6" or less which to me was very manageable on the stock GY's.

Now if you want to talk about FWD soccer mom cars, then yes without question snow tires would be the smart choice. I can remember on my '96 Maxima (12+ yrs ago) i would rock a set of dedicated winter rims with snow tires, but only from Mid December until early March.
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Old 11-25-2014, 07:15 PM
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I'm not discounting skill... not at all. I just don't agree with settling for all season tires (or worse, performance tires) and thinking that, as long as you are doing the right thing, so is everyone else. In those situations, I'm more comfortable knowing I have tires that have siping and groves that improve my chances of avoiding a bad situation.

There are some things I'll cheap out on.. but rubbers isn't one of them (pun intended).
"Doing the right thing" entails making allowances for those who don't. If you are more comfortable running dedicated snows then by all means buy yourself an expensive set.
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"Doing the right thing" entails making allowances for those who don't. If you are more comfortable running dedicated snows then by all means buy yourself an expensive set.
Oh come now.. are you insinuating that you can prepare yourself for every situation?
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Re: Stock 2015 Altitude Tires and Snow

Man this thread just trailed off into the Winter Driving Competition lol


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Oh come now.. are you insinuating that you can prepare yourself for every situation?
If you can't then you shouldn't be out in the snow.

This will be my 40th season of Wisconsin winter driving. 16 of those years as a cop. Not every squad car I used ran dedicated snow tires. Not every personal vehicle I had was 4WD. I'm very comfortable with my ability to drive in snow and on ice. I'm not overconfident, arrogant or cocky about it. I know how to read road conditions, I know how my vehicles (and tires) feel and handle under those conditions. I know how to make allowances for the idiots that don't. Being in a hurry isn't an option. Along with this comes the experience of knowing when to stay off the roads when only a fool feels the need to be out on them.

I'm beyond the point in my life where I have any need to continue testing the limits of myself, my vehicles or my tires. My GC is a leased vehicle. The Forteras that came on it have little wear and are more than adequate for my needs. And for that reason I see no reason to spend additional money on dedicated snow tires.

Now, if I had purchased my GC or would intend to buy it when the lease expires, then I would look at a better set of tires for it... after the Forteras wear to the point where they need replacing.

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Man this thread just trailed off into the Winter Driving Competition lol

It went exactly where I knew it would go way back in post #7. Just like it always does.
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It went exactly where I knew it would go way back in post #7. Just like it always does.

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Re: Stock 2015 Altitude Tires and Snow

This is my first winter driving the Jeep. This also means it will be my first winter with the Forteras. No plans to swap them out (since they already have 18K on them). Once it's time I will be moving into a better tire.


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If you can't then you shouldn't be out in the snow.

This will be my 40th season of Wisconsin winter driving. 16 of those years as a cop. Not every squad car I used ran dedicated snow tires. Not every personal vehicle I had was 4WD. I'm very comfortable with my ability to drive in snow and on ice. I'm not overconfident, arrogant or cocky about it. I know how to read road conditions, I know how my vehicles (and tires) feel and handle under those conditions. I know how to make allowances for the idiots that don't. Being in a hurry isn't an option. Along with this comes the experience of knowing when to stay off the roads when only a fool feels the need to be out on them.

I'm beyond the point in my life where I have any need to continue testing the limits of myself, my vehicles or my tires. My GC is a leased vehicle. The Forteras that came on it have little wear and are more than adequate for my needs. And for that reason I see no reason to spend additional money on dedicated snow tires.

Now, if I had purchased my GC or would intend to buy it when the lease expires, then I would look at a better set of tires for it... after the Forteras wear to the point where they need replacing.

That is me. You do whatever you want.
As someone that has been the unfortunate recipient of someone else acting beyond my control, I'm sure you can understand my caution. I hope you never experience it.
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As someone that has been the unfortunate recipient of someone else acting beyond my control, I'm sure you can understand my caution. I hope you never experience it.
It's okay, I completely understand. And like I said before, do what makes you feel comfortable.

In this particular thread, the OP was simply asking for opinions on whether the OEM tires were up to the challenge of winter driving. He lives in a snow state and has experience driving in it. My own opinion based on the previous winter is that they are. Others may not agree with it and that's fine.

If you look at all the threads where the topic is snow tires, I've never been an advocate of NOT buying them or argued that there's no benefit in having them. Only you can decide if your comfort level and the winter road conditions in your area warrant having them. If you have a family to haul around then you have a particularly good reason for having them.

My posts and opinions on the subject are based entirely on my own individual experiences and comfort level with driving on snow. Because of that, I personally don't feel a need to buy an expensive set of dedicated snow tires for a vehicle that I lease. I realize that everyone is different and not everyone faces the same driving conditions.

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