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Agreed. That happens on light interiors too. It's funny how each side of the argument (light vs dark interiors) says the other shows dirt and scuffs more. In my experience they each show them equally--the difference is the color of the scuff and dirt. Black shows lighter color dirt/sand/dust and scuff and lighter shows dark dirt and scuffs
I've found that the actual scuff marks left in the plastic after cleaning are far less visible on a lighter color than on black. You'll always have a high contrast against black.

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A lot of people buy these vehicles, use them on-road for a few years, THEN start going off-road with them when they've depreciated. Someone wanting a luxury or utility ride right now may very well consider the capability aspect for later on. Not everyone trades out vehicles every few years.
The WK2 is the wrong animal for "heavy off roading", the Wrangler or Unlimited is FAR more capable than the WK2 for those conditions.
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The WK2 is the wrong animal for "heavy off roading", the Wrangler or Unlimited is FAR more capable than the WK2 for those conditions.

It's relative. I don't always assume what people mean by "heavy" off-roading is necessarily rock-crawling. Lots of people I know use "heavy" to indicate it is off-road a lot, on moderately difficult terrain but not necessarily where you would think Wrangler as a necessity.
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I've found that the actual scuff marks left in the plastic after cleaning are far less visible on a lighter color than on black. You'll always have a high contrast against black.

Good point. If the plastic or other material itself is scratched or scuffed I agree that it does tend to be more noticeable on darker materials.
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It's relative. I don't always assume what people mean by "heavy" off-roading is necessarily rock-crawling. Lots of people I know use "heavy" to indicate it is off-road a lot, on moderately difficult terrain but not necessarily where you would think Wrangler as a necessity.
Even if it's "a lot of off roading" and not rock crawling per se, the Wrangler/Unlimited would still be a more capable and longer lasting vehicle for that environment.

Full frame for the win.
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A lot of people buy these vehicles, use them on-road for a few years, THEN start going off-road with them when they've depreciated. Someone wanting a luxury or utility ride right now may very well consider the capability aspect for later on. Not everyone trades out vehicles every few years.
For me personally, if I was planning to do any serious offroading now or in the future I think my money (and less of it) would be better spent on a used Wrangler and then adding whatever mods I felt were needed for the purpose I'd be using it for.

The WK2, while capable, is just not a vehicle well suited for that purpose. But it's fantastic in the snow... LOL.
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Even if it's "a lot of off roading" and not rock crawling per se, the Wrangler/Unlimited would still be a more capable and longer lasting vehicle for that environment.

Full frame for the win.

Again, a lot of people want to be able to use a vehicle for other things as well. A Wrangler is a bit limited in space, etc. The GC's body design is better thought of as a "uniframe" as well--it is a lot better than your typical car unibody construction. Think "remote camping trips with groups" and sightseeing along the way. Along with having the space for gear, multiple people, and fewer vehicles. Plus, not having to buy yet another vehicle on top of the GC for such uses. Having the capability allows you to have an on-road cruiser for years, then do these other things later when you're not as worried about scuffing it up. Maximizing usage with one vehicle (with compromises) rather than having to have two.
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Again, a lot of people want to be able to use a vehicle for other things as well. A Wrangler is a bit limited in space, etc.
That's why I mentioned the 4 door Unlimited.

Again, the Unlimited is a far more capable vehicle in off road situations than the WK2, period.

I bought a WK2 because under my ownership it will see little to no "off roading", and if I were the type of person who does a lot of off roading, I'd would have bought the more capable vehicle designed for that environment...the 4 door Unlimited.
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Re: Struggling with decision... Overland or Summit

I dunno if it's the 20" wheels causing it or someone was asleep at their CAD station when they were laying out the steering geometry on the WK2 but mine has the most annoying understeer of any vehicle I've ever owned. It steers like a barge in town. I can't picture any serious offroading with a setup like that.

None of my previous Jeeps did that...
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I dunno if it's the 20" wheels causing it or someone was asleep at their CAD station when they were laying out the steering geometry on the WK2 but mine has the most annoying understeer of any vehicle I've ever owned. It steers like a barge in town. I can't picture any serious offroading with a setup like that.

I haven't noticed any severe understeer. It IS a 5000lb vehicle. Have you had your alignment checked?
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I haven't noticed any severe understeer. It IS a 5000lb vehicle. Have you had your alignment checked?
It's not an alignment issue... at the same time, it's one of the best tracking vehicles I've ever had. No vibrations and the tire wear to date has been great and is even across the face of all 4 tires.
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That's why I mentioned the 4 door Unlimited.

Again, the Unlimited is a far more capable vehicle in off road situations than the WK2, period.

I bought a WK2 because under my ownership it will see little to no "off roading", and if I were the type of person who does a lot of off roading, I'd would have bought the more capable vehicle designed for that environment...the 4 door Unlimited.

Buuuut...and again, a lot of people don't want the relatively un-luxurious ride of a Wrangler at first. They use their GC as you do...at first. Then use out it's remaining life as something a bit more utilitarian. I know plenty of people that do that and don't want to be stuck with a Wrangler during the initial "beautiful years" of the vehicle. I myself do that.
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