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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

I just have the Laredo, but I went on ahead and got the 2012 model. I got the 12 because most of the bugs have been worked out from the release from the 11. Now I'll be on track to trade mine in when I'm sure that by June 2016 the 2017's will be released with a whole new body style. Since Jeep is notorious for shortened body years, like the 7 month span of the 13 and we know the 2016 will have probably a 4 or 5 month lifespan I'd purchase your Summit now and be ready for the new body style for the 17!
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

I feel the shortened model year really did all current jeep owners a disservice.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:36 AM
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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Count me in the group who isn't terribly concerned with the 8 speed transmission. It might be nice, but it's more likely that it will shift too much for most people, and be nearly universally despised, while giving marginally better fuel economy and similar at best performance.

The big draw for me is the 8.4N, however, it's not a big enough draw for me to worry about it. I have the 430N and it does everything I want it to, has a redundant nav display in the gauges, and frankly is easy enough to read that I don't need it on an 8" screen. Would it be nice? Sure, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

It's going to cost you a lot more than 3k to get into a 2014 down the road. Personally, if you lke the '12 Summit, get the '12 Summit and don't worry about the minor upgrades for 2014.
The beauty of this transmission is that you don't feel it shift. Drive a couple of the other vehicles that currently have it: 300, Rangerover, Mercedes, etc....it's as smooth as a baby's bottom. I'd wait until the diesel with the 8 speed. At least wait to try it out. By then you know how many more '12 Summits' will be available at that time for probably even less?
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

Just got a 2012 Overland with the Hemi. It's beautiful, powerful, super quiet at speed and a real challenge to the Range Rover. Not only that it's quite a bit better than X5 or Q7 if you plan to seriously use the off road ability.

Who cares about the 8 speed? I wouldn't dare buy it for the 1st year and maybe the second. Why would I want to NOT enjoy this luxury right NOW? To save a few nickles?

I'll enjoy this truck for 3-4 years and then trade for a even more refined Jeep!


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Better performance, quicker & smoother shifts, noticeably better fuel economy... well worth waiting for - it blows the antiquated 5-speed out of the water.
Can I ask what you're basing this on? Have you been able to test a WK2 with the 8-speed or are you going by the difference between the 5 speed and 8 speed in the 300, or...?
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Old 08-26-2012, 09:53 PM
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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I feel the shortened model year really did all current jeep owners a disservice.
I'd tend to agree with this sentiment. While I'm not so much concerned with the upgrades, I'm concerned with the public perception of the upgrade to their "brand new best ever" vehicle. It certainly alienates a lot of the people who jumped in on the first 2.5 model years of the vehicle, making it a huge success for Jeep, by rewarding them with suddenly making their vehicles (in the eye of the media and public) immensely inferior due to things that were in the pipeline and should have been included form launch.

I'm going to wait to see how residuals are affected on my Overland, and how Jeep handles the situation. I would expect them to at least provide an extra couple grand as a show of good will to those who bought the WK2 early models.

Somehow I doubt they'll do that,but we'll see. Jeep has the best products now, but let's see if they can also improve their customer service (in their defense, they do appear to be trying to sort out their dealers). If not, ~3 years from now I'll likely just switch to Lexus. I was originally going to go that route, but the Jeep really just had me, it's easily the best vehicle in its segment on the market, and it was good enough to have me give American cars one last try. But they also need to realize that customers are not money trees meant to be harvested routinely, we expect better treatment (especially nowdays) and respect.

We'll see, but I'm not holding my breath. Then again, the level of upgrades to the refreshed model could be largely exaggerated, and it will prove to be a non-issue.

FWIW, Milous apparently works for Chrysler in some fashion. Take that for what it's worth.
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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Just got a 2012 Overland with the Hemi. It's beautiful, powerful, super quiet at speed and a real challenge to the Range Rover. Not only that it's quite a bit better than X5 or Q7 if you plan to seriously use the off road ability.

Who cares about the 8 speed? I wouldn't dare buy it for the 1st year and maybe the second. Why would I want to NOT enjoy this luxury right NOW? To save a few nickles?

I'll enjoy this truck for 3-4 years and then trade for a even more refined Jeep!


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why wouldnt you buy it for the first year? You do know its not a new tranny right?

Its been around and its amazing ,,my dad has the new 300 with it and its truely awesome. well worth a few months wait to get it in a 2014 ,,anyone who tries to fool themselves thinkin a 12 will be just as good...go drive a vehicle with this tranny in it and see for yourself.
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why wouldnt you buy it for the first year? You do know its not a new tranny right?

Its been around and its amazing ,,my dad has the new 300 with it and its truely awesome. well worth a few months wait to get it in a 2014 ,,anyone who tries to fool themselves thinkin a 12 will be just as good...go drive a vehicle with this tranny in it and see for yourself.
I'm not sure anyone can say that with certainty until the 2014s actually come out and we can test drive them. I say that because while the tranny itself may be an excellent tranny, that doesn't mean that the way Jeep programs or gears it won't be wonky (or that it will be, of course). From what I understand the WK2's current tranny is a solid tranny, it's just that Jeep has seemingly programmed it in a way to maximize fuel efficiency.

Out of curiosity have you driven the 300 with the 5-speed for comparison?
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

Just because a tranny works well in the 300 does not mean it will behave the same when worked for the heavier GC with it's 4WD system and so on. I'd wait at least a year before even thinking about it and I have a nice 2012 Overland to enjoy while I watch. There's always newer/better just a minute away. When the 2014 comes out there will be fast talk about an even nicer set of options for 2015 & 2016. Tomorrow I'll be driving my wife to a nice restaurant in our luxurious Overland. Waiting only means you missed out on today and today is the only sure thing you've got.

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Old 08-28-2012, 10:43 PM
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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Just because a tranny works well in the 300 does not mean it will behave the same when worked for the heavier GC with it's 4WD system and so on. I'd wait at least a year before even thinking about it and I have a nice 2012 Overland to enjoy while I watch. There's always newer/better just a minute away. When the 2014 comes out there will be fast talk about an even nicer set of options for 2015 & 2016. Tomorrow I'll be driving my wife to a nice restaurant in our luxurious Overland. Waiting only means you missed out on today and today is the only sure thing you've got.

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I agree, the current Overland is great and will still be wonderful to own even when the new model updates come out. There is always something better in the works...
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I'd tend to agree with this sentiment. While I'm not so much concerned with the upgrades, I'm concerned with the public perception of the upgrade to their "brand new best ever" vehicle. It certainly alienates a lot of the people who jumped in on the first 2.5 model years of the vehicle, making it a huge success for Jeep, by rewarding them with suddenly making their vehicles (in the eye of the media and public) immensely inferior due to things that were in the pipeline and should have been included form launch.

I'm going to wait to see how residuals are affected on my Overland, and how Jeep handles the situation. I would expect them to at least provide an extra couple grand as a show of good will to those who bought the WK2 early models.

Somehow I doubt they'll do that,but we'll see. Jeep has the best products now, but let's see if they can also improve their customer service (in their defense, they do appear to be trying to sort out their dealers). If not, ~3 years from now I'll likely just switch to Lexus. I was originally going to go that route, but the Jeep really just had me, it's easily the best vehicle in its segment on the market, and it was good enough to have me give American cars one last try. But they also need to realize that customers are not money trees meant to be harvested routinely, we expect better treatment (especially nowdays) and respect.

We'll see, but I'm not holding my breath. Then again, the level of upgrades to the refreshed model could be largely exaggerated, and it will prove to be a non-issue.

FWIW, Milous apparently works for Chrysler in some fashion. Take that for what it's worth.
I really don't understand what you are trying to say? If I am reading this correctly somehow you are owed something because your jeep does not have some of the things that are going to be offered on the 2014 model ? Vehicles of all makes and models go through mid cycle refresh and then model replacements and upgrades all the time. When the next one comes out in 2016 it will have things the 2014 doesn't have thats the way it works. When I bought mine I knew an 8 speed trans was coming but I bought anyway thats on me. I can't go back and say chrysler you owe me because I didn't want to wait. Yes I would say you souldn't hold your breath because I think your going to be waiting a long time.
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

It always depends on WHICH upgrades will be available AT WHAT TIME. Let's say I'd be in the market today for a Grand Cherokee.

Would I wait 'til 2016 just to get a new tranny? Heck, no!

Would I wait a few months for the MY14 (which, IMO, is everything but a "minor" upgrade) - of course, I would!

But that's just me. For me, 6 months is not a long time - for others, it might be a little "eternity" so it's not up to me to judge how long others should or shouldn't wait for their next purchase.

Especially when in the market for a Summit, I would hold on. The difference in features/options between a 2012 Summit and a 2014 is quite extensive. The 2012 lacks the minor upgrades the 2013 gets (these features, however, wouldn't be a reason for me to pick a 13 over a 12) - like power folding mirrors, front parking-sensors and headlamp-washer. These are "minor" upgrades.

But the additional features/options for MY14 aren't. Just to mention the optional harman/kardon system.

I would even go that far and make the claim that a fully loaded 2014 Summit will be on a different "evolutionary" level than a fully loaded 2012.
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