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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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It always depends on WHICH upgrades will be available AT WHAT TIME. Let's say I'd be in the market today for a Grand Cherokee.

Would I wait 'til 2016 just to get a new tranny? Heck, no!

Would I wait a few months for the MY14 (which, IMO, is everything but a "minor" upgrade) - of course, I would!

But that's just me. For me, 6 months is not a long time - for others, it might be a little "eternity" so it's not up to me to judge how long others should or shouldn't wait for their next purchase.

Especially when in the market for a Summit, I would hold on. The difference in features/options between a 2012 Summit and a 2014 is quite extensive. The 2012 lacks the minor upgrades the 2013 gets (these features, however, wouldn't be a reason for me to pick a 13 over a 12) - like power folding mirrors, front parking-sensors and headlamp-washer. These are "minor" upgrades.

But the additional features/options for MY14 aren't. Just to mention the optional harman/kardon system.

I would even go that far and make the claim that a fully loaded 2014 Summit will be on a different "evolutionary" level than a fully loaded 2012.



Unless the 2014 features new engine, new tranny and a new chassis it's going to be little more than a tweaked 2012. The audio system is the Overland is okay. The HK might be a little better or worse, but it will not be great either way. About the only significant area to improve on my Overland would be less body roll and improving the chassis dynamics, though I could probably bolt on stuff for that myself. For those of us who do mostly highway driving the 8 speed won't matter and the current 6 speed with the Hemi is proven and mine works flawlessly.
It's easy to add stuff to make the newer cars more desirable. That's the only way to stay in business. What marks a significant improvement in a Jeep is an open question. Power folding mirrors? Cute, but I could care less. I'd rather see driving dynamics dialed in a bit tighter than all of the 8 speed trannys and diesel engines in the world.
BTW, my home stereo system cost more than half the cost of my Overland, so I tend to be a snob. No factory system has ever been impressive and the HK will be the same old tune.
If my Overland gives me good service for 3-4 years I look forward to trading in for a newer one. If you can deal with the money I say get a 2012 and enjoy it. The 2016 might have the built in vacu-flush back row toilet seats, but you'll miss out in the meantime by waiting!

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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

And also lets not leave out the 2014 will have LEDs front and rear....which is awesome...just saying!
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And also lets not leave out the 2014 will have LEDs front and rear....which is awesome...just saying!
I may not be able to hold out for the 2014s, so I really hope the LEDs can be retrofit onto the 2011-2013s.
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Unless the 2014 features new engine, new tranny and a new chassis it's going to be little more than a tweaked 2012.
So the WKII is a tweaked WK - I mean they both have the same HEMI, right?

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The audio system is the Overland is okay. The HK might be a little better or worse, but it will not be great either way. About the only significant area to improve on my Overland would be less body roll and improving the chassis dynamics, though I could probably bolt on stuff for that myself. For those of us who do mostly highway driving the 8 speed won't matter and the current 6 speed with the Hemi is proven and mine works flawlessly.
It's easy to add stuff to make the newer cars more desirable. That's the only way to stay in business. What marks a significant improvement in a Jeep is an open question. Power folding mirrors? Cute, but I could care less. I'd rather see driving dynamics dialed in a bit tighter than all of the 8 speed trannys and diesel engines in the world.
BTW, my home stereo system cost more than half the cost of my Overland, so I tend to be a snob. No factory system has ever been impressive and the HK will be the same old tune.
If my Overland gives me good service for 3-4 years I look forward to trading in for a newer one. If you can deal with the money I say get a 2012 and enjoy it. The 2016 might have the built in vacu-flush back row toilet seats, but you'll miss out in the meantime by waiting!

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That's your personal opinion and I certainly respect that.

I, however, would have a problem investing $45K, knowing that a much better vehicle will be available in 6 months. Months - not years.

And again, to me, the changes between MY12 and MY14 are significant.
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So the WKII is a tweaked WK - I mean they both have the same HEMI, right?



That's your personal opinion and I certainly respect that.

I, however, would have a problem investing $45K, knowing that a much better vehicle will be available in 6 months. Months - not years.

And again, to me, the changes between MY12 and MY14 are significant.
yes Im very impatient and want one now BUT I have to agree and just wait a few more months ..for I think what will be a advanced superior machine...I could be wrong..But my gut says WAIT
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

So first choice would be to find a good deal on a left-over MY12 as the feature enchancements to a MY13 is minimal. Otherwise wait 6-8 months for the MY14 with the mid-cycle refresh. The changes posted on the first page is not complete and likely will grow over the next few months.
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I really don't understand what you are trying to say? If I am reading this correctly somehow you are owed something because your jeep does not have some of the things that are going to be offered on the 2014 model ? Vehicles of all makes and models go through mid cycle refresh and then model replacements and upgrades all the time. When the next one comes out in 2016 it will have things the 2014 doesn't have thats the way it works. When I bought mine I knew an 8 speed trans was coming but I bought anyway thats on me. I can't go back and say chrysler you owe me because I didn't want to wait. Yes I would say you souldn't hold your breath because I think your going to be waiting a long time.
I'm more of dissatisfied with the speed at which it was refreshed. rather than doing a significant refresh after 2.5 model years of a new vehicle, they should have just launched with it or delayed the refresh IMO. And a LOT of the features of the refresh should have been included from the start.

The only real glimmer of hope I have is that despite the HUGE improvement in the WK2 over the WK1, WK1 Overland residuals remain strong.


I think the underlying point is that this whole "the much better model is coming in months" thing is hanging over Jeep's head. How many people have skipped out on buying a '12 or '13 because they're waiting for the '14?

Personally, I'm not all that impressed by the upgrades to the '14. The 8 speed transmission will likely never be able to pick what gear it wants - people already complain about the 5 and 6 speeds shifting too much. LED taillights should have been standard from the beginning, but it's possible they'll fit pre-refresh models, otherwise it's only a matter of time before someone starts making them for the pre-facelift. The LED DRLs, that's honestly just cheesy at this point IMO. The H/K system I'm sure will be a nice offering, and should have been offered from the start, but truth be told I can build a better stereo for less than the H/K system upgrade will cost. The Alpine is good enough for me though. Blueray player doesn't appeal to me, I've never had any issues with my power inverter, underseat lighting has been added by many already for $5, HD radio is a joke in itself, smartphone apps to control the car require monthly subscriptions (as does this ecall thing most likely).

Honestly, the only real beneficial upgrade I see is the 8.4" screen, which frankly should have debuted on the 2011. Journey has that and LED taillights, so why the heck can't the top of the line Jeep have those?

One of the features that would actually be a feature I would want that I don't think is coming on the 2014 is heated/cooled cupholders. Preferably with the ability to set them to different levels (I like my coffee warm, but not boiling lava hot).
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One of the features that would actually be a feature I would want that I don't think is coming on the 2014 is heated/cooled cupholders. Preferably with the ability to set them to different levels (I like my coffee warm, but not boiling lava hot).
Interesting you mention that feature. I've been thinking about that as well and was wondering why this was offered on a sedan (Chrysler 300) but most likely not where it actually belongs - on a long distance SUV (JEEP).
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Interesting you mention that feature. I've been thinking about that as well and was wondering why this was offered on a sedan (Chrysler 300) but most likely not where it actually belongs - on a long distance SUV (JEEP).
Chrysler doesn't get that the people paying more money for their top of the line also want the goodies. Same reason the 300 got LED taillights and the 8.4N before us. If anything, the Jeep should have had those features before the sedans.

I don't think Chrysler understands its customers at all.
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So the WKII is a tweaked WK - I mean they both have the same HEMI, right?



No, the WK2 has very little to do with the old version. The engine is about the same, but other than that? It's a total redesign.


That's your personal opinion and I certainly respect that.

I, however, would have a problem investing $45K, knowing that a much better vehicle will be available in 6 months. Months - not years.

And again, to me, the changes between MY12 and MY14 are significant.

There is ALWAYS a better version around the corner. 6 months or 24 your car is a rapidly declining investment. The changes in the 2014 won't render my 2012 less of a SUV. It will still be luxurious, safe and insanely capable.
BTW, I paid under 42K for a Overland with Adaptive cruise, Hemi, Summit grill and chrome package.
I think I'll enjoy this "inexpensive" Overland and then see what a 2015 Summit has to offer. The 2014 is going to have issues with tranny as they get that dialed in. Jeep is NOT Honda. They'll need a year at least. I have two friends with 2011 WK2 and BOY am I glad I waited a year for most of the bugs to get ironed out. So I don't see a viable Jeep in in 6 months like you do. You see it because it's what you want and you'll take a chance. Not me though.


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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

I'll make one more point...this one a bit offensive to some.

I hear all this talk about LED lights, 8.4 screens and heated cup holders. Sheesh, okay it's your money and spend it as you like. But the real design advantage of the Jeep is what it can do offroad and in deep snow. That's the ONLY reason why I bought one over a Q7 or MDX.

If I wanted toys and did NOT require the Jeep's 4WD strengths then an MDX would be a LOT better. So would an X5, X3, Q5 and so on.

LED tail lights? Boo hoo. The Overland is a off road tank dressed for a dance. I'd rather see it's prowess in deep snow extended than heating up my cup holders! I'd rather see improved driving dynamics than a 8.4 screen.

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I'll make one more point...this one a bit offensive to some.

I hear all this talk about LED lights, 8.4 screens and heated cup holders. Sheesh, okay it's your money and spend it as you like. But the real design advantage of the Jeep is what it can do offroad and in deep snow. That's the ONLY reason why I bought one over a Q7 or MDX.

If I wanted toys and did NOT require the Jeep's 4WD strengths then an MDX would be a LOT better. So would an X5, X3, Q5 and so on.
Sure (although some of these vehicles would cost much more than $42K) - but we are talking about additional options and features - we are not talking about sacrificing off-road capability in exchange for heated cup-holders. We already know that the Jeep is a capable off-roader and we also know that it won't handle on-road like a Cayenne any time soon. That's why we are talking about potential new features (or "gimmicks") and that's the purpose of this entire thread.
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