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Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

Hey all,

I have been thinking about upgrading my 2012 JGC limited to take advantage of the additional features found in an overland. I came across what I think is a really great deal where I can walk out the door with a 2012 Summit with the exact same mileage for a $3.5k difference. However, I know the 2014's are on the way but a new 2014 and more mileage on the trade would probably bump the cost difference to at least double that with less features (would get a standard overland then). I guess I am looking for all the experts opinions here as to which way is the better play. Thanks!
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:15 PM
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

if the 8-speed is coming out, i'll wait for it. but for your 2014 it's still awhile out.
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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if the 8-speed is coming out, i'll wait for it. but for your 2014 it's still awhile out.
Sounds like its not TOO far out. Is the major difference with the 8 speed better gas mileage or will the car have much better pickup as well?
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

You can order a 2014 in December. Take your G.C. to your dealer in December and get a price for it on trade and order a 2014 Overland once you negotiate price on it too. That's what I'd do. That's only FIVE months away.
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

Count me in the group who isn't terribly concerned with the 8 speed transmission. It might be nice, but it's more likely that it will shift too much for most people, and be nearly universally despised, while giving marginally better fuel economy and similar at best performance.

The big draw for me is the 8.4N, however, it's not a big enough draw for me to worry about it. I have the 430N and it does everything I want it to, has a redundant nav display in the gauges, and frankly is easy enough to read that I don't need it on an 8" screen. Would it be nice? Sure, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

It's going to cost you a lot more than 3k to get into a 2014 down the road. Personally, if you lke the '12 Summit, get the '12 Summit and don't worry about the minor upgrades for 2014.
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

3.5k to go from a Limited to a Summit? Even if you decide to go with a 2014 when they're released, the resale on a Summit will be better than the Limited
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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Count me in the group who isn't terribly concerned with the 8 speed transmission. It might be nice, but it's more likely that it will shift too much for most people, and be nearly universally despised, while giving marginally better fuel economy and similar at best performance.

The big draw for me is the 8.4N, however, it's not a big enough draw for me to worry about it. I have the 430N and it does everything I want it to, has a redundant nav display in the gauges, and frankly is easy enough to read that I don't need it on an 8" screen. Would it be nice? Sure, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

It's going to cost you a lot more than 3k to get into a 2014 down the road. Personally, if you lke the '12 Summit, get the '12 Summit and don't worry about the minor upgrades for 2014.
Will the 8-speed offer any better performance than the current 5 speed offering, or it purely a MPG play?
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Will the 8-speed offer any better performance than the current 5 speed offering, or it purely a MPG play?
I personally don't think so. Chrysler is known for having slow shifts, and having 8 gears means you've got that many more shifts to get to 60. I'd suspect performance inside that smaller gear to be better (ie, if 3rd gear starts at say 30mph, and you gun it in 3rd gear to 50, it should have a lower gear ratio and be faster through that gear). Truth be told, I don't think it will be appreciably better performing, it's a Jeep, not a sports car, they're not going to design it to make the normal GC any faster really.

My guess is it's going to improve city fuel economy slightly. Highway fuel economy will likely be largely unaffected, the Hemi already spins low rpm at highway speeds, so there's likely little optimization that can be done there.

At the end of the day, it's probably going to mostly be a "cool new feature" that doesn't really affect anything in a meaningful way. I could be wrong, but a lot of people on here are already complaining that the 5/6 speed transmissions search for gears too much, upping the count to 8 surely isn't going to lessen that issue.
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Re: Summit now or wait for 2014 Overland?

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At the end of the day, it's probably going to mostly be a "cool new feature" that doesn't really affect anything in a meaningful way. I could be wrong, but a lot of people on here are already complaining that the 5/6 speed transmissions search for gears too much, upping the count to 8 surely isn't going to lessen that issue.
I'm hoping for a better acceleration. For a V8 with 360 horses, there is cetainly room for improvement..
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Count me in the group who isn't terribly concerned with the 8 speed transmission. It might be nice, but it's more likely that it will shift too much for most people, and be nearly universally despised, while giving marginally better fuel economy and similar at best performance.
Better performance, quicker & smoother shifts, noticeably better fuel economy... well worth waiting for - it blows the antiquated 5-speed out of the water.
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3.5k to go from a Limited to a Summit? Even if you decide to go with a 2014 when they're released, the resale on a Summit will be better than the Limited
For what it's worth, I agree with Deception. If I could get a deal like that, I'd be all over it like stink on monkey and as pointed out, it would give you a better potential trade on a new model.

Also, by going with the Summit you're getting a proven platform. Let others try the new model and gauge from their experiences as to get one or not.

Good luck.

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Better performance, quicker & smoother shifts, noticeably better fuel economy... well worth waiting for - it blows the antiquated 5-speed out of the water.
What is your opinion of the 8-speed relative to the 6-speed?
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