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Re: Sure glad I traded for the Hemi

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7.3 0-60
15.4 1/4 mile

Sorry, but those numbers aren't exactly impressive.


The upcoming SRT8 (mid 4's 0-60 and mid 12's for the 1/4 mile) is truly FAST.
The point is its much better than the v6 numbers.
When tuners come out it will be impressive.
Maybe you can start your own bash the hemi thread
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Re: Sure glad I traded for the Hemi

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The point is its much better than the v6 numbers.
When tuners come out it will be impressive.
Maybe you can start your own bash the hemi thread
I keep hearing that the v6 is almost as fast as the Hemi and once the TSB's are done, it is even closer.

The ones I have driven were night and day different, like you experienced. It's not just straight line performance either, it the v6 downshifting like a 4-banger civic when a slight uphill occurs or trying to pass someone and it downshifting (then realizing it didn't need to downshift so far and upshifting to the next gear which is too high and it slows you down again, it is very frustrating in the v6 ).

v8>v6 - there is no point in arguing that.
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Re: Sure glad I traded for the Hemi

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7.3 0-60
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Sorry, but those numbers aren't exactly impressive.


The upcoming SRT8 (mid 4's 0-60 and mid 12's for the 1/4 mile) is truly FAST.
Is your's V6 or V8??
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Re: Sure glad I traded for the Hemi

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I keep hearing that the v6 is almost as fast as the Hemi and once the TSB's are done, it is even closer.

The ones I have driven were night and day different, like you experienced. It's not just straight line performance either, it the v6 downshifting like a 4-banger civic when a slight uphill occurs or trying to pass someone and it downshifting (then realizing it didn't need to downshift so far and upshifting to the next gear which is too high and it slows you down again, it is very frustrating in the v6 ).

v8>v6 - there is no point in arguing that.
Isn't 260lb-ft vs. 390 lb-ft? Thats what makes the hemi fun!
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Isn't 260lb-ft vs. 390 lb-ft? Thats what makes the hemi fun!
Can't argue with the torque. (even though the V6 has a flatter and much more efficient torque curve, more horsepower per square inch, better weight distribution and is only the 1st gen of this engine) I'm also not arguing that the 5.7 should outperform the 3.6. IMHO, it should be by an even bigger margin. Let's consider these numbers for a second.

5.7L 0-60 in 7.3 seconds, 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds.
3.6L 0-60 in 8.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 16.3 seconds.

Shouldn't the 5.7 actually pull away from the 3.6 instead having the gap closed? (1.1 seconds faster 0-60, yet only .9 seconds faster in the full 1/4 mile)

Autotrend test results: (1st link: V6, 2nd link: V8)
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Re: Sure glad I traded for the Hemi

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Can't argue with the torque. (even though the V6 has a flatter and much more efficient torque curve, more horsepower per square inch, better weight distribution and is only the 1st gen of this engine) I'm also not arguing that the 5.7 should outperform the 3.6. IMHO, it should be by an even bigger margin. Let's consider these numbers for a second.

5.7L 0-60 in 7.3 seconds, 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds.
3.6L 0-60 in 8.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 16.3 seconds.

Shouldn't the 5.7 actually pull away from the 3.6 instead having the gap closed? (1.1 seconds faster 0-60, yet only .9 seconds faster in the full 1/4 mile)

Autotrend test results: (1st link: V6, 2nd link: V8)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ion/specs.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._v8/index.html
Like I said in another thread, people that has a HEMI think that its the fasting on the road. That is why I love beating the hell out of those guys that have the HEMI rams with an aftermarket exhaust then think that gives them the right to run with anything with an engine. Kind of like the folks with the TBSS trying to run with the SRT8 and Mustang folks. After driving the 5.7L, there is no night and day differences. Maybe its the whole Placebo effect...... 5.7L HEMI= fast V6= slow. The only people with a dog in that fight are those that have the SRT8 badge....... the only HEMI that is truly fast.....
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Re: Sure glad I traded for the Hemi

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Can't argue with the torque. (even though the V6 has a flatter and much more efficient torque curve, more horsepower per square inch, better weight distribution and is only the 1st gen of this engine) I'm also not arguing that the 5.7 should outperform the 3.6. IMHO, it should be by an even bigger margin. Let's consider these numbers for a second.

5.7L 0-60 in 7.3 seconds, 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds.
3.6L 0-60 in 8.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 16.3 seconds.

Shouldn't the 5.7 actually pull away from the 3.6 instead having the gap closed? (1.1 seconds faster 0-60, yet only .9 seconds faster in the full 1/4 mile)

Autotrend test results: (1st link: V6, 2nd link: V8)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ion/specs.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._v8/index.html
This is what I've said a few times before- the Pentastar is a spinner engine, and once you get some revs going, it performs well. The Hemi starts running out of steam at higher RPM. The massive torque of the Hemi means it gets off the line nice and fast, but the advantage is lessened as the vehicles get moving.
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The Hemi starts running out of steam at higher RPM. The massive torque of the Hemi means it gets off the line nice and fast, but the advantage is lessened as the vehicles get moving.
I have not experienced that; due to VVT the Hemi is making close to its peak torque at 1500 rpm (but torque actually peaks at over 4200 rpm and horsepower peaks past 5100 rpm) with very minor torque falloff after that as it runs strong all the way to redline, just like the Pentastar. The Pentastar has a similar fat & flat powerband, but with less power and covering a longer rpm range as compared to the Hemi. Both are solid powerplants.

What I care about is that the Hemi WK2 performs better than all other vehicles I test drove; Audi Q5 & Q7, Toyota 4Runner and Lexus GX460 among a few others not worth mentioning. I believe that a relative performance comparison is the intent of Hemi owners when they comment on performance, as it is for myself, but I could be mistaken.
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Can't argue with the torque. (even though the V6 has a flatter and much more efficient torque curve, more horsepower per square inch, better weight distribution and is only the 1st gen of this engine) I'm also not arguing that the 5.7 should outperform the 3.6. IMHO, it should be by an even bigger margin. Let's consider these numbers for a second.

5.7L 0-60 in 7.3 seconds, 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds.
3.6L 0-60 in 8.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 16.3 seconds.

Shouldn't the 5.7 actually pull away from the 3.6 instead having the gap closed? (1.1 seconds faster 0-60, yet only .9 seconds faster in the full 1/4 mile)

Autotrend test results: (1st link: V6, 2nd link: V8)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ion/specs.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._v8/index.html
1/4 mile and 0-60 are nice comparisons but it's not the whole story. Like I have said before, the v6 struggles on the hills around where I live and the Hemi wants more. The v6 may be a "spinner" but that is only usable when WOT and racing, which isn't done a whole lot in the WK2 world. In the real world (aka, not on a drag strip) the Hemi is 11ty billion times better than the Pentastar.

Once the mods come out for both engines the gap will only get bigger for the Hemi. You can justify the v6 by fuel mileage and maintenance costs, but not in performance. Trying to say it is only a second or so slower is not a real convincing argument.

Fun thread, I like these discussions.
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You're right. The 1/4 mile isn't the whole story. Here's where I tell you the 2010 Nissan Muran 3.5L does the 1/4 in the same exact time as your 5.7 Hemi. Next time you're stopped at the light next a mom with her Murano packed with screaming brats, remember this.

But you're right, the 1/4 means nothing. Your Hemi should outrun the 3.6 by a bigger margin. The fact that it doesn't is nothing to be ashamed of. You're happy with your vehicle, I'm happy with mine. Fuel mileage and price wasn't the deciding factor at all. I'm not sure how you can actually post that the 3.6 struggles with hills. You do not own one, do you? You're not familiar with a few simple TSBs which made this vehicle even faster than it was.

The twin turbo for the 3.6 will be a game changer. Be patient, again, this is only the first gen. The Hemi has been around for how many decades? I like these conversations even more!
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You're right. The 1/4 mile isn't the whole story.

Here's where I tell you the 2010 Nissan Muran 3.5L does the 1/4 in the same exact time as your 5.7 Hemi. Next time you're stopped at the light next a mom with her Murano packed with screaming brats, remember this.

But you're right, the 1/4 means nothing. Your Hemi should outrun the 3.6 by a bigger margin. The fact that it doesn't is nothing to be ashamed of. You're happy with your vehicle, I'm happy with mine. Fuel mileage for me wasn't the deciding factor. I'm not sure how you can actually post that the 3.6 struggles with hills. You do not own one, do you? You're not familiar with a few simple TSBs which made this vehicle even faster than it was.

The twin turbo for the 3.6 will be a game changer. Be patient, again, this is only the first gen. The Hemi has been around for how many decades? I like these conversations even more!
hehehehehe

I believe they make a supercharger for the Hemi also. There is only 1 substitute for CI, more CI.

I test drove a few v6's from different dealers and all had issues with hills and downshifting. The ones I drove were just delivered (and only a week ago when I had my Jeep in the dealer for some work) so I would think they had the newest software and updates, I didn't check though.

I don't race my GC around so if someone beats me and my 3 kids (1 is still in a car seat) in a Murano, I won't be mad. I had an SHO back in the day and would beat up on mustangs and camaro's all the time but lost a few races to a Saturn. Oh well, on the street, it's all in the driver. I would be a little mad if I lost to a minivan though, anything else is OK to lose to.
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LOL. Agreed. Gotta beware of those sleeper minivans.

But, maybe the 3.6 you drove didn't have the TSB updates. It really has made one heluva difference. Can't wait to see the aftermarket updates for both engines.
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