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We can fight about this all day, all I can say is I love love love my wj, and I think the wk is one of the uglier cars on the road.
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The notion that the Ford exploder can be even remotely considered a "luxury suv" it even "upscale suv" is absurd....out of the 1995-2013 Ford exploders sold I would bet fewer than half are still on the road...when you narrow that down to 99-04 for comparison of the WJ that number gets way smaller given they were prone to spontaneous combustion,spitting spark plugs out of the heads or having transmissions fail. This whole thing started because a member was considering going from a WK2 to a WK diesel but you felt compelled to bring the WJ into the mix for some reason and gave your opinion I gave mine. Good day.

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Re: Swap 2011 Laredo E for 2008 Diesel Overland? Whhaat?

My old Explorer Limited was very luxurious when it was new. Power leather memory seats, moonroof, JBL audio, air suspension, electronic vehicle control system, installed handsfree phone, nice plush carpeting, power everything. The Limited had body colored bumpers and trim, special wheels, special seats, gathered leather seating, contrasting seat piping, it was a nice truck. As luxurious or moreso than a ZJ or WJ of the era, as expensive or moreso. If it weren't for the popularity of the Explorer, the modern midsized SUV wouldn't exist. Remember...they sold 500k Explorers a year at the height, unquestionably the #1 selling SUV...period...Jeep never crossed 250k with the GC. Theres no question the GC has remained popular and relevant while the Explorer struggled after 2001, but that doesn't change the fact that the Explorer popularized this segment.

You'd loose that bet. I still see tons of 95-01 Explorers on the road, and a lot of 90-94 Explorers. I see more old Explorers than I do ZJs. Like I said, mines still in the family at 210k miles. Check out the online forums, tons of enthusiastic Explorer owners. The transmission sucked on the 90-97 V6 Explorers, especially the 90-94. Ive never heard of any reports of spark plugs being spit out of the heads, although we had that happen on an 87 Aerostar van. Ford recalled them for fire risks because of a cruise control module, but I've never seen a case of one catching fire.

Should we list all the common problems on the WJ? Plenty of them as well. How about the fact that if you rear end a WJ it explodes? Thats as ridiculous a statement as what you're saying about the Explorer.

This is the WK2 forum, if you want to enthuse about the WJ go to that forum. I'm not coming in there ramming my opinion down anybody's throat, I made a comment about previous GC generations as pertains to the WK2 in the WK2 FORUM

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We can fight about this all day, all I can say is I love love love my wj, and I think the wk is one of the uglier cars on the road.
Thats great, I'm glad you love your WJ, but making the statement that it drives better than a new Mercedes ML is ridiculous. Why don't you say it drives better than a Porsche Cayenne too? It doesn't. Its a bouncy, poorly riding, poorly handling live axled truck, while the ML has an independent suspension, smooth and solid modern SUV. To say the WJ would drive better than an ML on the road is fanboy nonsense, like I said. No objective person would come to that conclusion.

You can love your WJ and still look at things objectively. All these modern SUVs are exponentially better riding and handling than any vehicle of the WJ's era.
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I have a close friend who had two that spontaneously combusted, the 4.6l triton routinely spits plugs out of the heads (piss pour design tapered,half thread plugs in aluminum heads) around here I don't see any old exploders on the road but I still see many many WJ on the road and quite a few XJ (but most of the XJ's are trail trucks).

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Re: Swap 2011 Laredo E for 2008 Diesel Overland? Whhaat?

The Explorer has never had a 4.7L Triton V8. The 96-01 Explorer had the 5.0 V8 from the Mustang, and The 02-10 version had a 4.6L SOHC V8 derived from the V8 in the Mustang.

The Triton V8 refers to the 5.4L thats in the larger Ford trucks, there are spark plug issues with that engine...not the 5.0 or the 4.6. So, no spark plug issues in the Explorer.

So I guess all the Explorers where you live are gone, while where I live they're still around. That makes sense

I saw a very nice black 96-97 Explorer Limited just today as a matter of fact.
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Re: Swap 2011 Laredo E for 2008 Diesel Overland? Whhaat?

Boy oh boy what happened to my thread? Explorer vs Grand Cherokee now! LOL
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Re: Swap 2011 Laredo E for 2008 Diesel Overland? Whhaat?

Sorry Its even worse because we're arguing about 15 year old Explorers vs 15 year old Grand Cherokees LOL

You did the right think by keeping your WK2. I think you would have been disappointed in the WK after having had the WK2.
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The 4.6l in the f150 was also referred to as a triton...I had one...replaced it with my WJ after it spit 3 plugs out of the head. If they weren't available in the exploder I don't know how my friend had one in his brand new 2000 anyway l'll stop now

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Re: Swap 2011 Laredo E for 2008 Diesel Overland? Whhaat?

The 4.6L was absolutely never available in a 2000 Explorer. In 2000 the Explorer was still using the 5.0. When the new Explorer came out in 02 the 4.6L came out. The 2000 Explorer was still essentially the same body and frame as the 1990 Explorer, and the same as my 97 Explorer save a refresh that was done in 98, and then a slightly further refresh done in 99. They never marketed the Explorer as having the "Triton" V8 as I can recall.

I did some research since I've been away from the Ford truck world for so long, the issues with the Triton engine are not so much the plugs spitting out of the head as much as its the two piece plug design breaking when you go to remove the plugs. The issue is only on the 3 valve 4.6 and mainly the the 5.4. The older, 2V 5.4 and 4.6 use a single peice spark plug as most engines do.

So, the only years the 4.6L with the 3V were in the Explorer were 2006-2008. In 08 the plug was revised.

http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/120

Apparently they also went to 8 threads rather than 4 in the earlier modular V8s because of issues with plugs spitting, but only after the plugs had been previously replaced.
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I was wrong on the year it was an 02 but anyway...

http://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Ex...spit_out.shtml

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Re: Swap 2011 Laredo E for 2008 Diesel Overland? Whhaat?

Makes more sense

All those vehicles are well over 100k miles. How many miles were on your F150 when your plugs blew out?
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It was high mileage (175k) but from what I read after it happened they did it all over the place(80k and up,after replacement or factory plugs). Putting a tapered plug in an aluminum head is a bad idea and then to further hamstring it by only tapping said head half way...It's just a bad design which they changed. We have a difference of opinion on the WJ ...could be that the majority of difficulties I've ever had with a vehicle begin and end with a blue oval.

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