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Those few days per year which you allude to, ARE the problem.
For a few days a year, people can rent whatever they want.

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Old 07-23-2015, 11:33 PM
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If compare coal to each individual source, you're correct. However, if you read my post more carefully, you'll see I was referring to electricity production as a whole, not any one source.

Compared to all sources of energy, it means coal is just over 1/3 of the energy production, and falling.

Further, I would dispute that flat curve for coal for future projections.

Not only are coal plants becoming less favorable for approval of new builds, some are slated for decommissioning or retrofit to natural gas. By that alone, that graph should show a larger decrease, not an essentially flat level.

Further, I don't buy that natural gas will continue a steady increase through 2040. It's not going to happen. It's popular now with all the latest discovery and cost reductions, but it will fall out of favor long before 2040. Further, alternative energy is absolutely going to achieve much greater efficiency by then, meaning it will be practical for nearly every building to use things like solar for a quarter or more of it's use.

If that graph were accurate, there should be a much larger NG spike toward 2020, with a falloff toward 2040 as other renewable sources become for practical and come on line.

There are already technologies that are on the cusp of release that allow windows and paint to contain solar collection elements, which would allow buildings and vehicles to use their full surfaces to generate power. Further, those elements are increasing the amount of power they provide.

At some point, you won't have to even plug your car in when you stop somewhere on a sunny day.
All of that is already taken into account when the pro's like the EIA make these charts. Just because you disagree with organizations who's job it is to make accurate predictions, doesn't mean it's true. You know what they say about opinions..

We rely so much on coal. Coal isn't going anywhere. At least for the first half of this century and I'd wager for the entire century. Renewable's will also take a LONG time to grow. Expensive for not a lot of energy return.

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I don't get the lack of range argument. I can count the number of days a year that I drive more than 200 miles on one hand. I would bet most people would say the same. You just plug in when you get home, and by morning, you have a full charge again. Most of the charging would be done at night, when demand is normally low, so cost and impact is low. Even on trips you could deal with charging, but I don't think that is really where those cars are for.
There is a big difference between the freedom of going greater than 200 miles range five times per year, or 500. Guess what, it's not so rosy when that freedom is removed and you are locked down into 200 miles range or less. So even if you only go greater than 200 miles per year five times, those five times you are left with a huge headache/money sink. Not fun.

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So? Almost no buyers of any sort of SUV or CUV will ever drive them on a gravel driveway, much less off road.
I couldn't give a crap less about "most buyers". The whole reason the SUV segment started was to do better than car's in bad weather and off-road conditions. If you want more space, simply get a wagon.

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For a few days a year, people can rent whatever they want.
Ya, I'm sure the first thing on the top of a $120,000 SUV's buyers head is "when can I go out and get that rental car!".
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Re: Tesla Model X SUV --- tempting?

The so called carbon footprint of manufacturing an electric vehicle may be larger (because of the huge battery pack) than an ICE vehicle NOW, that will soon change as battery technology continues to evolve. So for me, that is a total non-issue.

I would much rather have 7300 power plants in the United States generating electricity and controlling the solution output than 253,000,000 ICE vehicles in the Unites States that aren't efficient and have various levels of exhaust maintenance. The air would be enormously cleaner and the streets would be so much quieter. Electric vehicles (at least for passenger vehicles) is the future and as I stated before, once the electric versus ICE cost lines cross ICE vehicles will become economically obsolete just like cathode ray tube TV's.

I also realize that a Tesla Model X does not have the same capabilities as my beloved Jeep Grand Cherokees throughout the years. But realistically, for my actual use, the Tesla Model X would fit my needs. Will I switch.....dunno.....but tempting and worth a look.

Tesla, instead of building a toy/golf cart car, built a car that showed you can build a "real" car that is electric, one so impressive that many aspire to own versus a joke. Performance wise it is superior in many respects to an ICE car.
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Re: Tesla Model X SUV --- tempting?

It is completely amazing to me how we continue to innovate in regards to efficiency and the ability to harness energy by alternative means, outside oil.

Tesla is a testament to the future of automotive and energy/power industries. The X model would accommodate my family needs for size and road worthiness. It doesn't come close to the Jeep for everything else, but maybe I'm the one who wants the extras (off road capability, nostalgia). Regardless, maybe Tesla is building exactly what we need. 4 wheels, safe, and efficient (getting from A to B).


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