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Re: The end of V8 Hemi in 2019?

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I was in the same boat. I wanted the diesel, but when I found out you could not get the Lifetime Warranty with the Eco Diesel, that killed it for me. The HEMI it was. I don't understand it because one of the reasons for going diesel is longevity. But it's not there warranty wise. And diesels can cost a fortune if and when they go south. It just wasn't worth the gamble. Especially with the unlimited time and distance warranty with the HEMI.
Longevity of the diesel might be the issue. They might have to replace everything on the vehicle before the diesel knows enough to die.

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Re: The end of V8 Hemi in 2019?

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Longevity of the diesel might be the issue. They might have to replace everything on the vehicle before the diesel knows enough to die.

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That is an Italian diesel your talking about (Fix it again tony). What is Fiat's track record on anything 10 years old or 100K? Just asking .
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The twin turbocharged is quite a powerplant.
You know what, I would love a twin turbo V8, that would be awesome!
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Re: The end of V8 Hemi in 2019?

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V6 or V8? Some people are on the wrong forum. Grindr is elsewhere. In all seriousness though, unless they reduce the weight of these vehicles the strain on the V6 (especially if you supercharge) will have them wearing down way too quickly. My buddy bought an eco boost from Ford. He tried to tow his boat. He now has a $100,000+ Denali. His reasoning "I don't ever want to be convinced a powerful V6 is meant for towing by a saleman again"

Now, his reasoning may be off but anyone who tows boats, trailers, campers etc is NEVER going to be okay with a V6
Get a diesel.
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Wait a second, wait a second - you can't get the lifetime warranty with the diesel???

I did not know this. This makes me very unhappy. I am close to pulling the trigger on ordering the TH with the diesel but now I'm thinking twice...argh....

I've always had the Hemi, in every Jeep I've driven except my first, and I have been happy with it, but was really looking forward to the power and mpg in the diesel.
That's nothing new...it's been that way for the entire run of "WK2" from MY11. But you can get something like an 8 year, 120K plan.
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Re: The end of V8 Hemi in 2019?

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That is an Italian diesel your talking about (Fix it again tony). What is Fiat's track record on anything 10 years old or 100K? Just asking .
The engine manufacturer has been supplying diesel engines for many, many years, including to "tiny outfits" like GM, various military and other types of vehicle providers throughout the world. They are not new to it...
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The engine manufacturer has been supplying diesel engines for many, many years, including to "tiny outfits" like GM, various military and other types of vehicle providers throughout the world. They are not new to it...
But, and I just found this out, since 2013 the engine manufacturer is 100% owned by Fiat. Over the years Penske, Daimler, GM and others all owned large stakes, at different times.

Sergio really thinks big. I just wish he would change the company culture to also pay attention to the little details.

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Re: The end of V8 Hemi in 2019?

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That is an Italian diesel your talking about (Fix it again tony). What is Fiat's track record on anything 10 years old or 100K? Just asking .
It is actually a vm motori engine. Fiat bought them out from GM after they had developed this motor for a european Cadillac.

VM engines have been used in lots of cars and trucks for lots of years. They are generally well regarded.

The main problem with modern diesels is the high pressure rails and injector systems. They are very susceptible to failure, but they also make them very efficient. But I wouldn't expect the engine to fail in the 5 years or so I will own mine. If you want something that will last forever, don't get anything with electronics in it.

From what I hear you can't buy a 5.7 in Australia anymore, v8s are not liked due to high fuel prices (although the SRT is still fairly popular). The twin turbo v6 would be a winner here, I'll be looking at it.

I owned a 6 cylinder turbo back in the 80s (nissan 3.0 L RB30ET I6), loved the low end torque, gets it off the line faster. The equivalent v8 model had the same peak power, but was slower off the line than the turbo, and tweaking the boost gave instant results at low cost.
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Re: The end of V8 Hemi in 2019?

A large number of the Fiat Eco Diesels are having issues with the cam drive sprocket spinning, causing the valves to hit the pistons and self destruct. The sprocket is pressed on to the cam, not welded or pinned. Many engines have been effected by this. When it happens it's major $$$$$.
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A large number of the Fiat Eco Diesels are having issues with the cam drive sprocket spinning, causing the valves to hit the pistons and self destruct. The sprocket is pressed on to the cam, not welded or pinned. Many engines have been effected by this. When it happens it's major $$$$$.
Do you think that has anything to do with the strange need for an RRT that requires the change of oil of new diesels on dealer lots to a different type of oil? or seperate issue.
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Re: The end of V8 Hemi in 2019?

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Agreed, to be honest I wasn't even interested in the 5.7 personally. No offense I'm sure it's great. But why not go all out.
I had a twin turbo V6 experience with my F-150, and I have no desire to experience that again. I am going to be buying or keeping a V8 as long as I can
The V6 engine in the F-150 was a horrible engine - underpowered in every way possible with gear ratios to make it worse.

It was junk. No one liked it. It has a horrible dissatisfaction rating.

If that's your only experience with a V6 in a large vehicle, then I understand why you might have a bad feeling about them.
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