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towing advice

First, I searched, but can only find info for towing travel trailers.
My rig;
2014 Overland, hemi, quadra drive and air suspension, factory tow package.
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17' tandem axle car hauler with a car... estimate total weight at under 5000lbs. Car ('64 Falcon Sprint) is 2400lbs... max, steel trailer with full deck, typically they are around 2300lbs.

So, with none of the frontal and side wind issues of towing a travel trailer, do I really need a WD hitch?
It seems very odd that my 1997 XJ was rated to tow 5000lbs, yet my much heavier, more powerful WK2, much more rigid chassis WK2 with 5 times the brakes the XJ had needs a WD hitch over 3500lbs.

Anyone towing cars around 5000lbs on the ball?
Comfortable? Concerning? Nervous? Scary as heck?

Depending on how this conversation goes, I will have questions about "tire change mode".

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Re: towing advice

Yes, you need the WDH. WDH itself has nothing to do with "frontal and side wind issues"...WDH helps to restore the weight distribution balance between the front and rear axils of the tow vehicle, specifically the tongue weight. Any tongue weight about 350 pounds or so required the WDH. (relates to Jeeps requirement for WDH for towed loads over 3500 lbs) While the JGC load leveling might cause things to appear just that...level...it doesn't redistribute the weight and that can make for funky steering and compromised braking.

You may or may not still want the additional anti-sway bar for the WDH, depending on how your trailer performs including wind issues on the load. (remember, the vehicle on the trailer is also a "sail-like" thing...)
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Re: towing advice

RTFM......!

Jeep manual says anything towed over 3500lbs, a WDH is required.

And don't forget to keep an eye on your payload numbers.....hitch weight, weight of hitch mechanism on the receiver plus passengers and "stuff" in the back of the Jeep.
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Re: towing advice

I have the factory tow package. My boat was around 5000 on the trailer. No special hitch. Isn't the factory hitch weight distributing....is the manual talking about having to use torsion bars and a special hitch or just the actual receiver that't bolted to the truck??
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Re: towing advice

yes, torsion bar setup...
5000lbs...
how did it tow?
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Re: towing advice

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yes, torsion bar setup...
5000lbs...
how did it tow?
Not as good as my dads old 2500 silverado, but about as good as my 2001 tahoe did. You just feel more wiggle with the shorter wheelbase vs the long pickup truck. I don't know of any boat trailer that you can use torsion bars on.
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Not as good as my dads old 2500 silverado, but about as good as my 2001 tahoe did. You just feel more wiggle with the shorter wheelbase vs the long pickup truck. I don't know of any boat trailer that you can use torsion bars on.
There are several

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towing advice

My boat/trailer ends up closer to 6000lbs. I don't use a weight distribution hitch, just standard ball. Trailer has surge disc brakes on both axles. Tows really well with my '14 diesel WK2. No issues at all.

I will say it's pretty hitch height sensitive, I have an adjustable hitch and a couple of times I've gotten lazy and made short tows without adjusting it (nose was high) and it was noticeably more sway prone and unsettled.

With hitch at level height, it's pretty much smooth and rides perfect.


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I have the factory tow package. My boat was around 5000 on the trailer. No special hitch. Isn't the factory hitch weight distributing....is the manual talking about having to use torsion bars and a special hitch or just the actual receiver that't bolted to the truck??
NO, the factory towing does not have "weight distribution". It has load leveling, but that's not the same thing. A weight distribution hitch shifts tongue weight to your front axil to balance it correctly so your steering and braking is even and solid. WDH is attached to the hitch receiver like a normal ball mount, but has bars or chains, depending on the brand/design, that are attached to the trailer frame and exert tension to shift the tongue weight forward.

Jeep requires them by spec for loads greater than 3500 lbs which generally means a tongue weight of at least 350 lbs in North America.

Inertial/surge brakes do present a conundrum because with few exceptions, you cannot use a WDH with inertial/surge braking systems.
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Re: towing advice

I tow a boat that weighs 5500-6000 lbs depending on load. Surge brakes on tandem axle trailer, so WDH not an option. It tows as well as my best tow vehicle, a 2012 QX56, and much better than the 2010 QX56 and 2002 F-150 Crew Cab I've towed the same boat with. No real issues with instability, steering, or braking. If you have electric brakes then a WDH certainly won't hurt.


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I tow a boat that weighs 5500-6000 lbs depending on load. Surge brakes on tandem axle trailer, so WDH not an option. It tows as well as my best tow vehicle, a 2012 QX56, and much better than the 2010 QX56 and 2002 F-150 Crew Cab I've towed the same boat with. No real issues with instability, steering, or braking. If you have electric brakes then a WDH certainly won't hurt.


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There are several WDH compatible with surge breaks.

Just keep in mind your insurance, including liability, is potentially non existent if you ignore the proper setup. Regardless of how you think it feels.

Tandem trailers do help.
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IIRC the Reese SC WDH works with surge brakes (and also gives some sway control)

As Jim said - a WDH isn't about making the vehicle level, it's about keeping the front wheels loaded.
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