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Did your jeeps not come with the factory tow package? The load leveling suspension does great on mine, working in conjunction with the factory WD hitch. I also have trailer sway control haven't had any issues on the highway.


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First of all, how much weight are you towing? I'm towing 6,000+ pounds.

Yes, I have the factory tow package which, other than the load leveling rear shocks and minor sway control others have mentioned, doesn't do much to help safely tow a 6,000+ pound trailer with around 700 pounds of tongue weight, and a overall length of 31feet, 6 inches . We are talking about weight distributing hitches, which are much more than the components of the factory tow package. They push the effective weight of the trailer both toward the front of our tow vehicle and also toward the axles of the travel trailer. The weight of our travel trailer is much more than the load leveling shocks can compensate for. Thus, the weight distribution system and self-installed air bags in the springs. This along with the dual anti-sway bars and my Cherokee handles our travel trailer like a boss, even at interstate speed amongst semi-trucks w/trailers and such.

BTW, I'm not sure what you mean by "factory WD hitch", as the WD is the abbreviation for Weight Distribution. I'm not aware of any such factory made option.

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Yes, there is no "factory" Weight Distributing Hitch. Jeep does require one for loads where the tongue weight exceeds 350 lbs...per the manual, even with QL and the factory tow option which is also a necessity to tow over 3500 lbs.
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Got 3.6 and I tow this toy almost every weekend since summer is short up here... Went up north in NH for few days.


Our home for few days... the driveway was like 90 degree hill... so front yard it is.




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One thing is that i dislike to see 190-195 degrees on trans temp dash... and rpm was hitting high and temp increased... but all of them was on hill roads.
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One thing is that i dislike to see 190-195 degrees on trans temp dash... and rpm was hitting high and temp increased... but all of them was on hill roads.
190 - 195 is bang on for the 8 speed cruising along. Trans is right where it should be.
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First of all, how much weight are you towing? I'm towing 6,000+ pounds.

Yes, I have the factory tow package which, other than the load leveling rear shocks and minor sway control others have mentioned, doesn't do much to help safely tow a 6,000+ pound trailer with around 700 pounds of tongue weight, and a overall length of 31feet, 6 inches . We are talking about weight distributing hitches, which are much more than the components of the factory tow package. They push the effective weight of the trailer both toward the front of our tow vehicle and also toward the axles of the travel trailer. The weight of our travel trailer is much more than the load leveling shocks can compensate for. Thus, the weight distribution system and self-installed air bags in the springs. This along with the dual anti-sway bars and my Cherokee handles our travel trailer like a boss, even at interstate speed amongst semi-trucks w/trailers and such.

BTW, I'm not sure what you mean by "factory WD hitch", as the WD is the abbreviation for Weight Distribution. I'm not aware of any such factory made option.

My boats dry weight is just under 5000 lbs, plus fuel and trailer, which is just about 30 ft. The tounge weight brings my jeep to level. I know what weight distributing hitches do, it's in the name. I've just never run into the sway issues going down the highway others are reporting. I would think if you need to add more to the suspension to support the load, you are outside the factory towing recommendations...

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Yes, there is no "factory" Weight Distributing Hitch. Jeep does require one for loads where the tongue weight exceeds 350 lbs...per the manual, even with QL and the factory tow option which is also a necessity to tow over 3500 lbs.

So you're telling me jeep rates a V8 tow limit at 7000ish, requires a WD hitch for over 350 lbs tongue weight, but doesn't have one? Hard to believe... 350 lbs won't even move the suspension. A Honda Civic could handle more tongue weight.


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Re: Towing thread

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So you're telling me jeep rates a V8 tow limit at 8000ish, requires a WD hitch for over 350 lbs tongue weight, but doesn't have one? Hard to believe... 350 lbs won't even move the suspension.
Yes, they don't sell a WDH. I don't believe any vehicle manufacturer does, but I certainly could be wrong. That said, it's not about "moving the suspension"...the QL or just load-leveling shocks on the regular springs will keep it "level". That's not what the WDH is for. WDH is for weight balance.

As tongue weights increase there is a need to shift some of that forward to the front axle in order to avoid potential issues with steering, braking and other general handling factors. Please trust me, when you get over a certain point, the tow vehicle can get pretty squirrelly. The Jeep 3500 lb line for requiring WDH is a little conservative...depending on the type of load being towed...but it shouldn't be surprising, either. Even pick-em-up-trucks should use WDH for towing bumper-pull loads when they get over a certain weight for the exact same reason...weight balance. The need is more pronounced on shorter wheelbase vehicles like the JGC.
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Re: Towing thread

My point is that to pull 7000 you'd need more than 350 lbs tongue weight to keep it straight down the road, so the numbers don't match up. According to Jeep even the V6 has a class 3 hitch (class 3 is discerned as 600 lbs max tongue). V8 is listed as class 4. Diesel has class 3.ImageUploadedByJeepGarage1439949746.283100.jpg


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Pulling a streamlined boat down the road is a far different experience than pulling an 11 foot tall slab sided 30 foot long box down the road. The wind effects them vastly different. As for using weight distribution systems and air bags, saying we are "outside the factory towing recommendations" is simply silly. The sole reason I decided to add the airbags to the rear of my Cherokee is when you are driving down an interstate highway at 65 mph and hit a dip in the road, it's not a comforting feeling to have your suspension bottom out and have the 6,000 pound trailer behind you begin a porpoising effect. It's not merely for "supporting the load".

As for the sway issue, you take a 53 foot long semi-truck trailer being pulled by a semi-truck and have them passing you at 70+ mph and it will want to suck you into it like a vacuum. And it will cinch you up so tight you can't pass a mustard seed if you don't have the correct setup for your towing situation. Thus, dual sway bars and peace of mind, along with confidence to take my trailer anywhere I want knowing I can handle what the highway dishes out.

The fact of the matter is: If you have no experience towing a travel trailer WITH A CHEROKEE, don't comment on what people should or should not be doing.

I don't make decisions based on someone's opinion on an internet forum. I do what is right for me and my situation, in the real world where my tires meet the road. Enjoy your Jeep.
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Pulling a streamlined boat down the road is a far different experience than pulling an 11 foot tall slab sided 30 foot long box down the road. The wind effects them vastly different. As for using weight distribution systems and air bags, saying we are "outside the factory towing recommendations" is simply silly. The sole reason I decided to add the airbags to the rear of my Cherokee is when you are driving down an interstate highway at 65 mph and hit a dip in the road, it's not a comforting feeling to have your suspension bottom out and have the 6,000 pound trailer behind you begin a porpoising effect. It's not merely for "supporting the load".

As for the sway issue, you take a 53 foot long semi-truck trailer being pulled by a semi-truck and have them passing you at 70+ mph and it will want to suck you into it like a vacuum. And it will cinch you up so tight you can't pass a mustard seed if you don't have the correct setup for your towing situation. Thus, dual sway bars and peace of mind, along with confidence to take my trailer anywhere I want knowing I can handle what the highway dishes out.

The fact of the matter is: If you have no experience towing a travel trailer WITH A CHEROKEE, don't comment on what people should or should not be doing.

I don't make decisions based on someone's opinion on an internet forum. I do what is right for me and my situation, in the real world where my tires meet the road. Enjoy your Jeep.

Why so salty Big John, I was just asking a question... You know, since you clearly know everything. I didn't realize this thread was only for CHEROKEE's towing TRAVEL TRAILERS. My mistake, thought I was in the GRAND Cherokee forum.

I questioned the issue people were having and in case I had it later with a different trailer. I then came with information from Jeep as to not misinform people of what their Grand Cherokee is rated for, not to hear your internet power trip, Sir CHEROKEE towing expert.


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Yes, they don't sell a WDH. I don't believe any vehicle manufacturer does, but I certainly could be wrong. That said, it's not about "moving the suspension"...the QL or just load-leveling shocks on the regular springs will keep it "level". That's not what the WDH is for. WDH is for weight balance.

As tongue weights increase there is a need to shift some of that forward to the front axle in order to avoid potential issues with steering, braking and other general handling factors. Please trust me, when you get over a certain point, the tow vehicle can get pretty squirrelly. The Jeep 3500 lb line for requiring WDH is a little conservative...depending on the type of load being towed...but it shouldn't be surprising, either. Even pick-em-up-trucks should use WDH for towing bumper-pull loads when they get over a certain weight for the exact same reason...weight balance. The need is more pronounced on shorter wheelbase vehicles like the JGC.

From the graphic I posted above I think that the factory hitch is weight distributing hitch, otherwise it would not be listed as available. I believe the 350 tongue weight figure is for A) for cheap $50 uhaul hitched that have minimal mounting points (class 1 or 2), B) due to the non tow package suspension not being able to handle the load, or C) both.


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From the graphic I posted above I think that the factory hitch is weight distributing hitch, otherwise it would not be listed as available. I believe the 350 tongue weight figure is for A) for cheap $50 uhaul hitched that have minimal mounting points (class 1 or 2), B) due to the non tow package suspension not being able to handle the load, or C) both.


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There's nothing in that graphic that relates to the tongue weight (that I can see). Even though the receiver hitch itself is likely capable of handling a higher tongue weight, the chassis and suspension isn't. This is one of the reasons that the owners manual outlines the need for a weight distributing hitch be used for loads over 350lb tongue weight and 3500lbs in total.
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There's nothing in that graphic that relates to the tongue weight (that I can see). Even though the receiver hitch itself is likely capable of handling a higher tongue weight, the chassis and suspension isn't. This is one of the reasons that the owners manual outlines the need for a weight distributing hitch be used for loads over 350lb tongue weight and 3500lbs in total.

True, it doesn't say specific tongue weight in the graphic, but in order to be a class 3 it must be able to support over 500 lbs.


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