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Old 08-21-2013, 05:03 AM
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Re: Towing with your GC - Specific 2014 Capacity Question as well.

2012 Towing Specifications with Vehicle Loading Calculations:

First off, I am going to use your assumed tongue weight in my conclusion below. However it is a good idea to check your Tongue weight as I have personally owned a 19' Ultra Lite and with water the Tongue tipped the scales over 800 pounds and the trailer weighed under 5000 loaded due to the water tank location. This is something I learned from in my 3rd trailer in watching water tank location as having water that far forward made for some negative handling performance in the trailer. My current trailer has the water tank directly over the wheels and I often go dry camping or hydro only so to some people this is important.

2012 V6 Towing Capacity 5000 Pounds (When equipped with a factory tow package)
Tongue weight capacity with a WD Hitch - 750 Pounds (500 Pounds dead)
GVWR of the Vehicle: 6500
Curb Weight: 4470 (depending on options)
Payload: 2030 (approximate)

Calculated Payload with Trailer at Maximum Tongue weight: 1280 Pounds
4 Adults @ 225 Pounds per person would still leave 380 Pounds payload capacity.

As the trailers you are looking at would likely be lower tongue weights you have a fairly comfortable margin there. The only thing I recommend is getting your tongue weight and trailer weight checked loaded at the Scales after you have everything set up. It may change how you load your trailer as this can have a significant impact on the handling of it.

Shurline makes a tongue weight scale if you are interested, it was the tool that was the real eye opener to me.

Sherline Trailer Tongue Weight Scales

Jeep Grand Cherokee is an Extremely solid towing platform... In the current V8 platform it is actually rated up to 7700 Pounds in Australia to give you an idea of the body resilience. It is only rated for 7400/7200 (4x2/4x4) here in a V8 but these are all on the same Chasis as your current vehicle. I consider them to be one of the most pleasurable towing vehicles around!

Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:59 AM
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Re: Towing with your GC - Specific 2014 Capacity Question as well.

Willx, that "curb weight" doesn't look right to me...but I could be having memory issues. I know my Summit is at ~5300.
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Re: Towing with your GC - Specific 2014 Capacity Question as well.

Thank you so much WillX ! Yea this will be my first time ever owning a TT or using one so i am trying to learn what i can , kind of overwhelming at first but i am starting to understand it . I bought a 2inch hitch from etrailer that is rated 500 tongue and 5k tow , bolts up to the frame of the SUV . I use it for my bike rack for now . My truck is a base model Laredo 4x4 with aftermarket tires , 17 inch wheels , nothing fancy . Never got a tow package on it either.

I hear things about friction bars , WDB hitches , equalizers , etc ? Dont know what i would need , but i would like quality and reliability.

As for brakes for the trailer , i was looking at this system ?
Brake Controller

Lot of people rave about it and have nothing but positive things to say about it. The type of camping i plan to do will be only for like a couple days so i wont be carrying a lot with me . As for filling up the water tanks, im assuming i can just do that at the campsite hookups instead of driving around with gallons of water slushing around. I will look into the placement of the tanks as well as you have mentioned.

There is a CAT scale close by to my house off the highway , im going to load up my truck with gas , and a few things to go weigh it and see what the scale says.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:19 AM
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Re: Towing with your GC - Specific 2014 Capacity Question as well.

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Willx, that "curb weight" doesn't look right to me...but I could be having memory issues. I know my Summit is at ~5300.
No his curb weight is pretty accurate , my Jeep is the most base model as you can get. I dont have power seats or leather . No upgraded sound system or upgraded tow package or anything like that. The only thing power is the windows and locks inside. 4x4 automatic trans .

This weekend ill be at a CAT scale so ill find out exactly what im at . I know the aftermarket tires are a bit heavier then stock as well and roll heavier.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:48 AM
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Willx, that "curb weight" doesn't look right to me...but I could be having memory issues. I know my Summit is at ~5300.
Jim you are very close on your Summit. There is a fairly big range on these that is why I said approximate payload.... the 2014 is also heavier to start with.
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Thank you so much WillX ! Yea this will be my first time ever owning a TT or using one so i am trying to learn what i can , kind of overwhelming at first but i am starting to understand it . I bought a 2inch hitch from etrailer that is rated 500 tongue and 5k tow , bolts up to the frame of the SUV . I use it for my bike rack for now . My truck is a base model Laredo 4x4 with aftermarket tires , 17 inch wheels , nothing fancy . Never got a tow package on it either.

I hear things about friction bars , WDB hitches , equalizers , etc ? Dont know what i would need , but i would like quality and reliability.

As for brakes for the trailer , i was looking at this system ?
Brake Controller

Lot of people rave about it and have nothing but positive things to say about it. The type of camping i plan to do will be only for like a couple days so i wont be carrying a lot with me . As for filling up the water tanks, im assuming i can just do that at the campsite hookups instead of driving around with gallons of water slushing around. I will look into the placement of the tanks as well as you have mentioned.

There is a CAT scale close by to my house off the highway , im going to load up my truck with gas , and a few things to go weigh it and see what the scale says.
I will take a look at this information and report back with more information later thanks
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As for brakes for the trailer , i was looking at this system ?
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Wow...expensive. Tekonsha P3 for me...about $150 plus the adapter cable and it works like a dream.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:16 AM
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Wow...expensive. Tekonsha P3 for me...about $150 plus the adapter cable and it works like a dream.
Personally I am a P3 guy as well.... I just wanted to thoroughly look over the product before I commented. I think with the weight we are talking about it is excessive but as noted I need to read a little to develop an opinion. Research takes longer than comments for me
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It has been my experience with the load leveling on the Durango which I currently am driving that if you drive it around for a mile or two and re measure the gaps it has taken up some of the load... Really this is to keep the rear suspension from bottoming out (my Mercedes did this because it did not have load leveling. Personally they should call it load compensation because it corrects the loading of the rear shocks to handle the weight, it is not really to "level" the vehicle... Poor choice of marketing words I guess.
Here is what I got back from Jeep regarding Load Leveling. Thanks to all that replied.
"Our records indicate this vehicle was equipped from the factory with the following: SESP Rear Load Leveling Suspension ** Each load-leveling shock absorber is a self-leveling, self-contained vehicle leveling system and shock absorber combined. It does not require an external compressor, hoses, or height leveling sensors. All the height leveling sensors, hydraulic pump, etc., are contained inside the shock absorber. It uses road inputs (bumps, stops, starts, turns, acceleration, deceleration, etc.) to activate pumping, which results in the extension and compression of the shock absorber. *** Please refer to the Owner's Manual for detailed information about the vehicle."
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Re: Towing with your GC - Specific 2014 Capacity Question as well.

Time for some photos...this is my '13 Overland Summit with the hemi and tow package. Trailer is a 25' Airstream, total weight for the WK2 and trailer is 12,180 pounds. Tongue weight is 1050 pounds. I'm using a Propride hitch. After using the DirectLink, I'll never use a P3 again!
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