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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

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LOL, notice how these V6 guys get all bent, swinging their handbags around when someone accuses the 6 of being weak, haha. Love it. Congrats on the MY17 upgrade, I'm sure you got killed on paper, but I can't blame you - I like the new design elements, no matter how minor.
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Of course, selling a relatively-new vehicle usually results in a decent depreciation loss at trade-in. But I worked the numbers last week and gave myself a range of acceptable "trade differences." The dealership's initial offer was at the wrong end, but a half-hour of emails back and forth got me a number that was quite acceptable. A few things working in my favor were: (1) my salesperson was the newly-promoted Internet salesperson (and a really nice, no-nonsense guy); (2) it was a fairly slow day at the dealership; (3) I made it clear that I didn't "need" the car right then and there, and that I could always get a local dealership to custom-order what I wanted at a decent price; and (4) if the numbers worked, I'd buy the car that day.

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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

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No regrets going from '14 Summit V8 to '15 High Altitude V6. I know this topic has been brought up many times and they usually turn into a pissing match, but like others have said it's all just personal preference and there are benefits to each. When I first test drove the V6 I was actually impressed. Not entirely by the performance of the engine, but by the handling and feel. My Summit V8 felt like a heavy barge. The V6 felt much lighter and I liked the steering feel a lot more. That may have changed now though that even the V8 gets the electric steering.
I have a different opinion about responsiveness than another poster in this thread. One thing that drove me nuts in my V8 was the throttle lag. Pleasantly surprised that the V6 is more responsive as far as that goes. I actually had a couple scary situations where my Summit V8 just did not go when I needed it to go.
Acceleration wise, obviously the V8 is the winner, but not huge differences. I think a drag race between the two would give the V8 a couple car lengths.
Fuel economy wise, I have logged just about 7,000 miles in both with the exact same commute using my fuely app. To date my V6 is exactly 4mpg better in my far suburban driving.
My biggest complaint about the V6 is the sound. Somehow Chrysler did not make it a pleasant engine to listen to whatsoever. The good news is during normal acceleration and cruise it's very quiet, infact more so than the V8, but inside the cabin it's kind of a rackety sounding engine during acceleration. The V8 is absolute music to my ears and I won't forget that great sound.
I don't know how other manufacturers make a sweet sounding V6, but our Pentestar sounds kinda goofy. Honda/Acura has a nice sounding motor. When I lay into my wife's 3.5 liter V6 Honda Odyssey it sounds actually damn good.

Again, no regrets with my V6. It does everything I need it to do just fine. With all that said I'll probably get another V8 some day hahah
I wonder if there is a potential issue with any GC's with the electronic throttle regardless of the engine. I really never felt it had poor throttle response or poor acceleration. I've had 3 of them. The 2017 does feel slightly better than the 2014 or 2015.

I think the V6 Engine sounds awesome when you step on it. It has a nice purr to it (certainly not a growl). I'm sure it doesn't sound as mean as a V8. But I think it sounds very good for a V6.

If you do step down too hard and it drops to say, 2nd gear that can sound a little too revved up.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:38 AM
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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

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LOL, notice how these V6 guys get all bent, swinging their handbags around when someone accuses the 6 of being weak, haha. Love it.
That's your perception of people who disagree with you. I don't think anybody is bent out of shape about it.

Sometimes (often) people disagree with me ... hard to believe! Nobody has ever swung a handbag at me. Well, my ex wife a few times maybe.


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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

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Heck, you can estimate how many gallons to fill (or just under fill it to be exact) and put in a bit over half with 87 and about half with 93 to get just about 89-90. You'll have to run the pump twice and have two receipts but might be worth the slight inconvenience if you're near empty...
I knew a guy that did this. My first job when I was 16 was gas station attendant (it was illegal to pump your own gas), there was a guy that would come in every few days and get $10 of regular and $10 of premium. When I asked him why he did it like this he told me that he didn't trust the gas companies to actually put in 89 so he got 87 and 91 mixed.

He was driving an older chevy pickup and also wouldn't accept someone presetting the pump to $10 either. He made the attendant stand there and pump it by hand because he didn't trust computers. I'd be surprised if he didn't have an armadillo helmet lined with tin foil at home.
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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

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Thanks!

Of course, selling a relatively-new vehicle usually results in a decent depreciation loss at trade-in. But I worked the numbers last week and gave myself a range of acceptable "trade differences." The dealership's initial offer was at the wrong end, but a half-hour of emails back and forth got me a number that was quite acceptable. A few things working in my favor were: (1) my salesperson was the newly-promoted Internet salesperson (and a really nice, no-nonsense guy); (2) it was a fairly slow day at the dealership; (3) I made it clear that I didn't "need" the car right then and there, and that I could always get a local dealership to custom-order what I wanted at a decent price; and (4) if the numbers worked, I'd buy the car that day.

So basically you'll bend over if the price is right? Depending on the mileage of the 16 and the additional cost of the v8 id say you're ~10k in the hole. The 17 makes you happy and that's all that matters. Well ...until the 18 comes out.
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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

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I wonder if there is a potential issue with any GC's with the electronic throttle regardless of the engine. I really never felt it had poor throttle response or poor acceleration. I've had 3 of them. The 2017 does feel slightly better than the 2014 or 2015.
I felt this when I first got mine. On the test drive it felt fine and I decided to go the V6 route. I told myself that I already had a performance car and that this vehicle wasn't being purchased for power or I would have purchased an SRT.

After I got it home I felt it was very sluggish on the freeway. Drivers in AZ generally go 5-15 mph over the speed limit which leads to a lot of speeding up and stopping in rush hour traffic. I tried turning ECO off and other things which helped a little bit but not as much as I was hoping for. I didn't like the way it revved in Sport so I didn't keep it there.

After a few months the sluggish feeling went away. Not sure if it was just me adapting to it or if it was something with the vehicle itself. Can't say my gas mileage has changed and still sucks. Had I known the gas mileage this thing gets, I would have considered the V8 a little more.
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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

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I wonder if there is a potential issue with any GC's with the electronic throttle regardless of the engine. I really never felt it had poor throttle response or poor acceleration. I've had 3 of them. The 2017 does feel slightly better than the 2014 or 2015.

I think the V6 Engine sounds awesome when you step on it. It has a nice purr to it (certainly not a growl). I'm sure it doesn't sound as mean as a V8. But I think it sounds very good for a V6.

If you do step down too hard and it drops to say, 2nd gear that can sound a little too revved up.
Yeah so it's hard to explain and IMO was not an actual defect or issue with the Jeep, it's just a system that was designed to have that lag for whatever reason, maybe to protect some components from shock I don't know. So a situation that I specifically remember and thought to myself this delay is ridiculous. I was going down a parking lot lane at a steady speed. In the corner of my eye some driver started pulling out of a space not paying attention whatsoever. It was a situation where I had to move...and quickly, otherwise I was gonna get hit on the side. So I hit the gas very quickly.....nothing. The Jeep literally did nothing for what seemed like almost 2 seconds. Then once it did it blasted off like normal, but that moment or two with no response was scary. I have tried to replicate this quick mashing of the gas pedal in my V6 and the responsivenesss in any driving mode is pretty quick.
So it's not that throttle response is necessarily bad because it's not, it just must be something that puts that delay in to protect driveline components in quick throttle applications.

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Can't say my gas mileage has changed and still sucks. Had I known the gas mileage this thing gets, I would have considered the V8 a little more.
I wonder why it's so bad for you. I'm getting 20mpg without ever touching a highway. Basically 3-4mpg better than my V8. Not huge difference, but enough to notice at the pump.
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.... And the gas mileage, believe it or not, is comparable to the V6...
Really? You've had it for one day and you're making that claim?

Let us know how that works out for you.
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Congrats on the 'proper' upgrade. Just out of curiosity, why did you choose the V6 on the 2016...I really don't see any advantage to the V6, and it continuously baffles me why anyone would ever choose it over the V8. .
That's exactly how I feel about the V8. Unless you need that little extra towing capacity, I can't figure out why anyone would choose the V8 over the V6. But lets not turn this into a V6 vs V8 thread. Either engine is more than enough for the Grand Cherokee.
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Re: Traded a '16 Summit V6 for a '17 Summit 5.7L V8

I test drove the V8 recently and I have a V6 Overland. It was great. I could definitely get power hungry with that engine at my disposal.

Get whatever engine fits your life the best. I think thats what it boils down to. Either way, were all still driving incredible vehicles.
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Congrats on the 'proper' upgrade. Just out of curiosity, why did you choose the V6 on the 2016...I really don't see any advantage to the V6, and it continuously baffles me why anyone would ever choose it over the V8. You take such a huge loss in power for such a small gain in mileage.

I would love to have the lane sense and self parking from the 2017, but I too hate those wheels.


I would assume it's the $4500 or so to upgrade to the 5.7
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