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Exclamation Re: Trailhawk VS Summit

So I'm steering back to my original post about the Trailhawk vs the Summit. I have poured over this decision over the past few weeks, going back and forth several times. Both are nice trims. In my area of South Florida, there are LOTS of Laredos, Altitudes, Limiteds and a decent handful of Summits. Those are the three that are very popular in the area. Not many Overlands or SRTs.

I have taken the Trailhawk for a quick test drive, but I think it's time to do so again as the first day was really a quick few minute drive just to test out the new lane keep assist feature, which worked rather well by the way. I also did a pretty quick visual inspection to view the features of the Trailhawk such as the seats and exterior badges that had red highlighting.

This next trip to the dealer, I want to really compare the two as I'm really stuck on the fence. I have a spreadsheet I am going to attach to the post, and I have highlighted the different features between the Trailhawk, Overland and Summit. I left the Limited in the spreadsheet as a reference point for features but only compared the 3 models listed above as they are fairly close in features. I took the info from the PDF titled "2017 Standard equipment comparison list (PDF)" provided by wk2jeeps.com I didn't want to link directly as some sites strongly discourage that. You know where to find it.

Here are the ONLY options that are missing from the Trailhawk from the Summit that could not be ordered as an upgrade option:

- 19 SPKRS HIGH PERF AUDIO (RCA) (Harman Kardon Audio System along with the 2 sub features below)
- 825 WATT AMPLIFIER (RDH)
- ACTIVE NOISE CONTROL SYSTEM (JLW)

- CARGO NET (CKR) (I can purchase one if I find that I want it)

- DELUXE CARGO COMPARTMENT FLOOR MAT (CKK)

- EXTERIOR MIRRORS COURTESY LAMPS (LEC)

- HEADLAMP WASHER (JHS)

- HILL DESCENT CONTROL (BNH) - Not sure about this one, wk2jeeps.com comparison PDF shows it missing but the page about the Trailhawk says it has a feature called Hill Ascent Control.

- ILLUMINATED SILL PLATES (LP1)

- LUXURY DOOR TRIM PANEL (CTC)

- REAR SUNSCREEN ACOUSTIC LAM. GLASS (GAH)

- UNDER SEAT LIGHTING (CCA)

- WOOD/LEATHER WRAPPED STEERING WHEEL (SCW)

* LUXURY FRONT/REAR FLOOR MATS W/LOGO (CLZ) - Replaced by Mopar All weather mats


Out of those few things listed above, the only few I care about are:

+ Wood wrapped steering wheel - I think this has a nice premium look and feel to it as well as helps resist sun damage to the steering wheel in hot South Florida (Anyone know if I could get it custom carbon fiber wrapped and polished?)

+ Illuminated sill plates, again another premium looking feature that is nice but not a deal breaker, These can be ordered aftermarket - Installed Jeep Illuminated Sill Plates

+ Upgraded audio system, I was planning on upgrading the speakers and sub anyway so this is no loss to me, in fact may make it easier to do in the long run.

+ Cargo mat is no loss as I always purchase a rubber all weather mat for the cargo area so I never get to see the regular one anyway.

To me, I'm feeling like the Trailhawk at a savings of $6,xxx is not a bad option considering if I did order the Summit, I was wanting to do so only for the Indigo / Ski Gray interior which is an additional $4500 option bringing the total delta between the two vehicles to $10,xxx. For me honestly, I think its a smart move to buy the Trailhawk. It has a nice style to it, that everyone is not driving around town. Good price point which amounts to about $200 less per monthly payment. I know everyone has their own opinions, but let me know yours. For anyone on the fence trying to decide between one of the higher model Grand Cherokees or anyone that previously purchased one, what are your thoughts?


I know this is a long post, thank you if you made it to the bottom. Please check out the attached spreadsheet I made while i couldn't sleep last night. I have highlighted the features in RED that are not available on either the Trailhawk and the Overland that are available in the Summit. I also highlighted the ones in YELLOW that are available via an upgrade feature or package. A few highlights in green show something that is standard on the Trailhawk that the higher models have to add on extra. There are two orange colored highlights that I'm not sure what those are and would love to find out if someone knows what part that is. I've included two versions, one is a PDF so anyone can view it that may not have MS Office, the other is the same thing in an Excel sheet zipped up since the forum won't allow spreadsheet attachments.
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Re: Trailhawk VS Summit

The differences you point out are consistent with the marketing intention for these two trim levels. Many of the Summit things you call out directly in your post as not on the Trailhawk are related to the Summit being marketed as a "luxury" ride. And the Trailhawk has things standard that are either optional or not available on the Summit that are focused on off-road prowess. You should choose the trim level that best suits your needs/wants and these two are "different" when it comes to marketing intent.

That said, you can add things to the Trailhawk, either OEM or aftermarket, to "up the lux" if you want to, so if that trim will make you happy aesthetically (black interior only, etc), then financially, it might be a good choice.
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Re: Trailhawk VS Summit

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The differences you point out are consistent with the marketing intention for these two trim levels. Many of the Summit things you call out directly in your post as not on the Trailhawk are related to the Summit being marketed as a "luxury" ride. And the Trailhawk has things standard that are either optional or not available on the Summit that are focused on off-road prowess. You should choose the trim level that best suits your needs/wants and these two are "different" when it comes to marketing intent.

That said, you can add things to the Trailhawk, either OEM or aftermarket, to "up the lux" if you want to, so if that trim will make you happy aesthetically (black interior only, etc), then financially, it might be a good choice.
I agree, we'll put. That was my ADHD getting the best of me, over thinking and over researching. At least I made a thorough comparison to quickly review for others. I like the rugged look of the trail hawk and an extra $10,000 more than I like the light colored summit interior.
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Re: Trailhawk VS Summit

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There are two orange colored highlights that I'm not sure what those are and would love to find out if someone knows what part that is.

The 'Daylight Mouldings' - that's jargon for window trim - Summit has chrome, while the Trailhawk is blacked out.


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Re: Trailhawk VS Summit

Slam dunk. No HK Radio. That HK Radio is pretty freaken awesome. It's really the Logic-7 that makes that system shine. It's like having head phones on versus sound emitting from the doors.

I've yet to prove to myself the Active Noise Cancelation is doing anything. But I plan on doing more extensive tests.

Your argument about the Summit being $10K more because you want the higher grade leather that's not an option on Trail Hawk is kind of dumb.

If I had waited on my 2015 Overland for the HK Radio to be available I probably would not have bothered to upgrade to the Summit.

You could probably package an Overland Close to a TrailHawk and have the HK Radio and save some money.

You'd have to spend some serious money to exceed the HK Radio.

TEST the HK Radio before you decide and make sure it's on Surround Sound. It defaults to Surround Sound Off.

I did the same thing on Lane Assist. Took a 15 min drive and said yeah it works. You really don't understand what Lane Assist does for you until to you take a few 100+ mile trips. It reduces driver fatigue.
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I've yet to prove to myself the Active Noise Cancelation is doing anything. But I plan on doing more extensive tests.
Done, well, you wouldn't actually "notice" this other than enhanced quietness, especially when you have any audio sources turned off. If you "could" disable and enable (I'm not sure if you can), it would be something like putting Bose noise cancelling headphones on your head on a plane and toggling the power on and off. But if there's no ability to disable, you'll be hard pressed to actually know the "difference" other than driving two Summits; one with and one without, over the same route at the same speed with the same tires, etc.
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Slam dunk. No HK Radio. That HK Radio is pretty freaken awesome. It's really the Logic-7 that makes that system shine. It's like having head phones on versus sound emitting from the doors.

I've yet to prove to myself the Active Noise Cancelation is doing anything. But I plan on doing more extensive tests.

Your argument about the Summit being $10K more because you want the higher grade leather that's not an option on Trail Hawk is kind of dumb.

If I had waited on my 2015 Overland for the HK Radio to be available I probably would not have bothered to upgrade to the Summit.

You could probably package an Overland Close to a TrailHawk and have the HK Radio and save some money.

You'd have to spend some serious money to exceed the HK Radio.

TEST the HK Radio before you decide and make sure it's on Surround Sound. It defaults to Surround Sound Off.

I did the same thing on Lane Assist. Took a 15 min drive and said yeah it works. You really don't understand what Lane Assist does for you until to you take a few 100+ mile trips. It reduces driver fatigue.


I agree with the Lane assist being important and the noise cancellation not being important. The lane keep assist is on the trailhawk with the added packages.

My wife actually has a 2015 Summit with the HK, I'll check to make sure its set on surround sound and listen to some music on it tonight to make sure. It doesn't sound bad by any measure, but I figure for the $10k price savings compared to the Summit, I could put some of that money to a sound processor, amps and better speakers. I don't like to blast music as I'm no teen anymore, but I do like to turn it up now and again and feel the music. I'm an 80's rock fan myself, and the stock system doesn't do it justice, it needs more mid bass for the drums.

I'm so on the fence on which one, I love the Summit Indigo / Ski gray interior but i have two kids, and in order to have them in the car, I will need to purchase a fitted back seat cover to hide the nice interior in order to not destroy it. So that would be spending more money. I also am an Army guy, I like the more aggressive look of the Trail hawk but not as big of a fan of the all black interior. The reason why I made this post, was for you guys to weigh in your opinions and to be my Devils advocate and debate with me why one is better than another! Y'all have pointed out some very good points.

Your point about making an Overland similarly packaged to the Trail hawk is an interesting idea, I like it. I do like the Brown / Blue piping leather package on the Overland. The overland also has the tow hooks up front.
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Done, well, you wouldn't actually "notice" this other than enhanced quietness, especially when you have any audio sources turned off. If you "could" disable and enable (I'm not sure if you can), it would be something like putting Bose noise cancelling headphones on your head on a plane and toggling the power on and off. But if there's no ability to disable, you'll be hard pressed to actually know the "difference" other than driving two Summits; one with and one without, over the same route at the same speed with the same tires, etc.
What about pulling the fuse on the radio system? That should work for testing if someone really wanted to know.
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Pulling the fuse would work, but it's not the best for testing since you can't really do that on the fly without stopping. My example with the headphones gives immediate feedback, for example.
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What about pulling the fuse on the radio system? That should work for testing if someone really wanted to know.
That's what I was planning on doing but it's hard to do an "A vs B" test rolling down the highway which I believe is the only time it's really gonna be any different. And the only time you could truly hear a change.

What I have done is reboot Radio while driving along. That is not a guarantee because it may be some sort of separate passive/analog system. Which is why there is no "Radio Option" to adjust it.

I've also put an SPL Meter (a VERY good one) on each driver while running frequency sweeps into the Mics. I did this While PARKED though. Zippo, nothing is coming out of any speaker. But it might have to be in drive at RPM to enable it.

As a last resort I will record the output of the drivers with and without the fuse, if it comes down to it.

Don't get me wrong the Summit is VERY quiet. I'm just very curious of how much the Active Noise Cancelation contributes to it. I also want to make sure what I PAID for is working

It is entirely possible it only works with MDS engaged on the Hemi and that's all it addresses.
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It is entirely possible it only works with MDS engaged on the Hemi and that's all it addresses.
I've read some complaints about that on these forums. It appears to annoy a lot of people. I hope it is not too bad, the Hemi is what I am thinking of ordering this week sometime.
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A lot noise cancellation systems tend to focus on the lower frequencies (rumble, etc.) so it would make sense that there wouldn't be much effect a low or no speed.
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