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Old 01-15-2011, 05:58 PM
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Yeah, I knew about those, but w2kjeeps did a nice write up for the Summit, & I just thought someone might have had something similar for the Overland.
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Just ordered Summit yesterday using FFP. Got control number through affiliate program with my employer not TL, but same thing from my understanding. So I gave a $500 deposit which really was a credit card authorization. That is all I signed, no purchase agreement. They gave me a copy of the Configuration Preview and then he called me over to watch him enter it in the system. For Black Overland summit, HEMI, & Mopar Chrome, MSRP was $49,765, FFP (my price) was $46,036. Two questions:

1. After entering it in the system, he wrote down an 8 digit number for me- can I assume that is the VON and if so, what are the next steps in the process?
2. In the "emails where I requested pricing info, the sales rep quoted a dealer fee of $899. Is this allowed under the Affiliate program? I feel this is padding I shouldn't have to pay, but feel kind of stupid having given a card authorization with nothing in writing. I'm hoping to find it in writing that the dealerships that participate in affiliate pricing are not allowed to charge fees like this to show them when I sign the buyer's order. Anyone with thoughts or experience doing this?
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Just ordered Summit yesterday using FFP. Got control number through affiliate program with my employer not TL, but same thing from my understanding. So I gave a $500 deposit which really was a credit card authorization. That is all I signed, no purchase agreement. They gave me a copy of the Configuration Preview and then he called me over to watch him enter it in the system. For Black Overland summit, HEMI, & Mopar Chrome, MSRP was $49,765, FFP (my price) was $46,036. Two questions:

1. After entering it in the system, he wrote down an 8 digit number for me- can I assume that is the VON and if so, what are the next steps in the process?
2. In the "emails where I requested pricing info, the sales rep quoted a dealer fee of $899. Is this allowed under the Affiliate program? I feel this is padding I shouldn't have to pay, but feel kind of stupid having given a card authorization with nothing in writing. I'm hoping to find it in writing that the dealerships that participate in affiliate pricing are not allowed to charge fees like this to show them when I sign the buyer's order. Anyone with thoughts or experience doing this?
1. Yes, that number should be the VON number. There's not much more to do but wait. Once the order goes through Jeep, you will go to C status, and then about a month later (give or take), you will go to D status. That is where your VIN number will be assigned. The process seems to be about 2 months from order to delivery. You can see all the different stages here. http://wk2jeeps.com/wk2_vin.htm

2. My guess is that might be a dealer doc fee. They are allowed to charge a doc fee even under the program. However $899 seems really high to me. Most are $250 or so. Some dealers don't even have doc fees.
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Just ordered Summit yesterday using FFP. Got control number through affiliate program with my employer not TL, but same thing from my understanding. So I gave a $500 deposit which really was a credit card authorization. That is all I signed, no purchase agreement. They gave me a copy of the Configuration Preview and then he called me over to watch him enter it in the system. For Black Overland summit, HEMI, & Mopar Chrome, MSRP was $49,765, FFP (my price) was $46,036. Two questions:

1. After entering it in the system, he wrote down an 8 digit number for me- can I assume that is the VON and if so, what are the next steps in the process?
2. In the "emails where I requested pricing info, the sales rep quoted a dealer fee of $899. Is this allowed under the Affiliate program? I feel this is padding I shouldn't have to pay, but feel kind of stupid having given a card authorization with nothing in writing. I'm hoping to find it in writing that the dealerships that participate in affiliate pricing are not allowed to charge fees like this to show them when I sign the buyer's order. Anyone with thoughts or experience doing this?
The issue of dealer fees is a thorny one, especially here in FL where there's an insane state law that REQUIRES a dealer to charge everyone a dealer fee if they charge ANYONE a dealer fee. That dealer fee is nothing more than PURE PROFIT, it has nothing to do with documentation fees, those get called out separately in most states and are pass through's to the state.

Under the Affiliate program your price is the FPP price printed on the invoice - any applicable incentives (both factory to dealer and factory to customer) +$75 administration fee +Tax +Tags/Doc (pass through price to local and state governments). Additional dealer markup (dealer fees) are not allowed. I'm not 100% sure of all the financial details but as explained to me they get a stipend for completing the deal that makes up the difference between the invoice price and the FPP price. Basically their "profit" on the deal is their holdback, which is in the neighborhood of $1400 on a fairly well equipped WK2. The dealer must submit all paperwork to Chrysler to be compensated for the FPP sale and if there are any additional fees the deal gets kicked and they don't get the stipend. Obviously if they Stipend is $450 and the dealer fee is $899 they make more money charging you the dealer fee and not submitting the deal to the Affiliate program. You'll know soon enough since you can check the status of your control number. It should go to a used status when they submit the deal.

I had this run around locally. I went to 3 dealers, one was cavalier and said, and I quote, "We don't charge the $75 fee but we must charge the dealer fee under state law and that's added to the FPP price". It is obvious they aren't going to submit the deal, just pocket the dealer fee and move on. The other 2 dealers said while they must charge the fee under the state's law they reduce the top line price by the same amount so the net price is the FPP price. I ended up ordering from one of those dealers.
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1. Yes, that number should be the VON number. There's not much more to do but wait. Once the order goes through Jeep, you will go to C status, and then about a month later (give or take), you will go to D status. That is where your VIN number will be assigned. The process seems to be about 2 months from order to delivery. You can see all the different stages here. http://wk2jeeps.com/wk2_vin.htm

2. My guess is that might be a dealer doc fee. They are allowed to charge a doc fee even under the program. However $899 seems really high to me. Most are $250 or so. Some dealers don't even have doc fees.
They can charge a doc fee but only what is required by the state such as registration, title fee's etc. The CANNOT charge a dealer fee or fees to create the documents. Those are PURE PROFIT and are not allowed.

I've been buying under the various direct plans (GM Supplier pricing, Ford X-Plan) for well over a decade and this always comes up. The legit dealers know the deal, the others are simply trying to maximize profit at the expense of the customer.
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The issue of dealer fees is a thorny one, especially here in FL where there's an insane state law that REQUIRES a dealer to charge everyone a dealer fee if they charge ANYONE a dealer fee. That dealer fee is nothing more than PURE PROFIT, it has nothing to do with documentation fees, those get called out separately in most states and are pass through's to the state.

Under the Affiliate program your price is the FPP price printed on the invoice - any applicable incentives (both factory to dealer and factory to customer) +$75 administration fee +Tax +Tags/Doc (pass through price to local and state governments). Additional dealer markup (dealer fees) are not allowed. I'm not 100% sure of all the financial details but as explained to me they get a stipend for completing the deal that makes up the difference between the invoice price and the FPP price. Basically their "profit" on the deal is their holdback, which is in the neighborhood of $1400 on a fairly well equipped WK2. The dealer must submit all paperwork to Chrysler to be compensated for the FPP sale and if there are any additional fees the deal gets kicked and they don't get the stipend. Obviously if they Stipend is $450 and the dealer fee is $899 they make more money charging you the dealer fee and not submitting the deal to the Affiliate program. You'll know soon enough since you can check the status of your control number. It should go to a used status when they submit the deal.

I had this run around locally. I went to 3 dealers, one was cavalier and said, and I quote, "We don't charge the $75 fee but we must charge the dealer fee under state law and that's added to the FPP price". It is obvious they aren't going to submit the deal, just pocket the dealer fee and move on. The other 2 dealers said while they must charge the fee under the state's law they reduce the top line price by the same amount so the net price is the FPP price. I ended up ordering from one of those dealers.
Mind if I ask what dealer you used? We are also in Florida, and it would be great not to have to search for a good dealer. We only have one local Jeep dealer and I don't trust them at all.
We will not be able to buy until later in the year, I would just like to have all the information for when we are ready.
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Mind if I ask what dealer you used? We are also in Florida, and it would be great not to have to search for a good dealer. We only have one local Jeep dealer and I don't trust them at all.
We will not be able to buy until later in the year, I would just like to have all the information for when we are ready.
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I'm in East Central Florida (Daytona area), I'm buying from Hurley in DeLand but the Flagler dealer was also pretty straight up with me. Both are "hometown" dealerships. I could give you a laundry list of dealers I will not do business with but that serves no purpose.
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I'm in East Central Florida (Daytona area), I'm buying from Hurley in DeLand but the Flagler dealer was also pretty straight up with me. Both are "hometown" dealerships. I could give you a laundry list of dealers I will not do business with but that serves no purpose.
Thanks for the info. I will definately call them when I get ready to buy. I hate dealing with the run around, and trying to weed out dealers. I usually end up with something not exactly what I wanted and for more than I think I should have paid. Maybe this time will be different.
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Thanks for the info. I will definately call them when I get ready to buy. I hate dealing with the run around, and trying to weed out dealers. I usually end up with something not exactly what I wanted and for more than I think I should have paid. Maybe this time will be different.
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I ordered my Summit on Sunday and my dealer gave me my VIN today. My POC says I am in D status. Does this seem possible? I thought it would take a while to get a VIN issued. At want point do I sign a sales contract?

Regarding the dealer fee I was quoted, apparently that is negotiable. They told me that they only waive that for Friends or Family, not affiliate. Are there any honest dealers?
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Thanks for the info. I will definately call them when I get ready to buy. I hate dealing with the run around, and trying to weed out dealers. I usually end up with something not exactly what I wanted and for more than I think I should have paid. Maybe this time will be different.
Where are you located in Florida?
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