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Re: Trim level distribution

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As far as breakdown of models, around my house there are three Jeep dealerships in an 8mile radius. Breakdown according to Cars.com:
49 Total
40 Laredo
6 Limited
3 Overland
Location makes a huge difference, within a thirty mile radius just outside Detroit:
680 total
385 Laredo
225 Limited
71 Overland

While even here dealers want to tell you how in short supply the new Jeep is when presented with the numbers they are willing to deal.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:38 PM
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What I also discovered is (as someone else mentioned), due to supply, the Limited offered better bargaining power than an Overland.
This wouldn't surprise me at all. For those who ordered (pretty much most of the folks on here with them), the orders were placed for the Overland due to a lack on them on the lots and the small price differential.

For those who bought off the lot, there would have been more dealing room with the Limiteds, since orders were for either lesser equipped models or the decked out Overland. Most of the Limiteds I've seen in lots here have been decked out past the Overland level (take a Limited, as Lux Grp II and 20" rims, and you're over the price of an Overland).

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They are....
Nope. They aren't. The QL system is a new design, with this being its first use. Quadra-Lift is a closed-loop system, which is not the same thing used by Mercedes.
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:30 PM
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For those who bought off the lot, there would have been more dealing room with the Limiteds, since orders were for either lesser equipped models or the decked out Overland. Most of the Limiteds I've seen in lots here have been decked out past the Overland level (take a Limited, as Lux Grp II and 20" rims, and you're over the price of an Overland).
It's not possible for Limited to be decked out past the Overland level. A Limited with the 20's, QL* and Lux2 package has the same features that the base Overland offers, not beyond it, and interestingly enough it cost less:

Limited 4x4 Base
$39,200 + Lux2 ($1,495) + 20" Overland Rims ($1,095) + QL ($_?_) + Tow ($550)= $42,340. Excluding Destination and TT&T.
*Probably isn't an accurate comparison if you can order QL without the ORAII

Overland 4x4 Base = $41,910. Excluding Destination and TT&T.

Additionally, if you do not want the 20's and opt for the ORAII package the potential savings are greater:

Limited 4x4 Base
$39,200 + Lux 2 ($1,495) + ORAII ($1,470) + Tow ($550) = $42,715. Excluding Destination and TT&T.

Overland 4x4 Base
$41,910 + ORAII ($275) = $42,815. Excluding Destination and TT&T.

However, I understand that you are not currently able to order a Limited with the ORAII (QL suspension).


The difference in ordering a Limited with these options (Lux2 & 20s) vs. an Overland are:
1) Overland badging (both exterior liftgate & sewn into front seatbacks)
2) Wood Steering Wheel in Overland
3) Wood Trim "colors" are different (Overland is lighter wood)
4) Front Grille insert: Honeycomb in Overland vs. Verticle Slats in Limited
5) QL standard (however it is part of QRAII - if/when available again)
6) Overland has a Tow package Standard, regardless of engine choice

So, its really a preference in interior wood trim color, badging and the QL suspension.
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This is basically true, although I did find out that the Laredo's don't have HD brakes. Which makes them a 6500lb GVW instead of the 6800lb of the Limited's and Overlands. Although it looks like if you were willing to spend some money you could change out the calipers, rotors etc and you would have HD brakes from what I can see.
Do you have any details on what the differences are in the brake systems between the Laredo X and the Limited+? Part numbers, etc?

Is there a different knuckle that the calipers bolt onto as well? What about hub/bearings, etc?
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It's not possible for Limited to be decked out past the Overland level. A Limited with the 20's and Lux2 package has the same features that the base Overland offers, not beyond it, and interestingly enough it cost less:

Limited 4x4 Base
$39,200 + Lux2 ($1,495) + 20" Overland Rims ($1,095) = $41,790. Excluding Destination and TT&T.

Overland 4x4 Base = $41,910. Excluding Destination and TT&T.

Additionally, if you do not want the 20's and opt for the ORAII package the potential savings are greater:

Limited 4x4 Base
$39,200 + Lux 2 ($1,495) + ORAII ($1,470) = $42,165. Excluding Destination and TT&T.

Overland 4x4 Base
$41,910 + ORAII ($275) = $42,815. Excluding Destination and TT&T.

However, I understand that you are not currently able to order a Limited with the ORAII (QL suspension).


The difference in ordering a Limited with these options (Lux2 & 20s) vs. an Overland are:
1) Overland badging (both exterior liftgate & sewn into front seatbacks)
2) Wood Steering Wheel in Overland
3) Wood Trim "colors" are different (Overland is lighter wood)
4) Front Grille insert: Honeycomb in Overland vs. Verticle Slats in Limited

So, its really a preference in interior wood trim color, badging and now, the QL suspension.
QL comes on the Overland also. Plus IMO int int. of the OVerland is nicer.
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Old 02-07-2011, 05:34 PM
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QL comes on the Overland also. Plus IMO int int. of the OVerland is nicer.
That's correct, for the 4x4. Since I used the 4x4 as my example I edited my post to reflect this.

Good looking out...
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The difference in ordering a Limited with these options (Lux2 & 20s) vs. an Overland are:
1) Overland badging (both exterior liftgate & sewn into front seatbacks)
2) Wood Steering Wheel in Overland
3) Wood Trim "colors" are different (Overland is lighter wood)
4) Front Grille insert: Honeycomb in Overland vs. Verticle Slats in Limited
5) QL standard (however it is part of QRAII - if/when available again)
6) Overland has a Tow package Standard, regardless of engine choice

So, its really a preference in interior wood trim color, badging and the QL suspension.
I believe the leather would also be different in a Limited right. Is there a way to get the leather with contrasting piping on a Limited?
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My Laredo X Hemi is basically a Limited minus the HID headlights, power tilt, chrome door handles and wheels, and sunroof. All that amounts to about a $3,000 difference in sticker price ($39,200 vs. $42,300).

Basically a limited after listing all of those missing features....hahahaha.

It's still a WK2 though!

So I guess an Overland is a Laredo X with every feature?
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I believe the leather would also be different in a Limited right. Is there a way to get the leather with contrasting piping on a Limited?
No way to get the contrasting piping on the Limited, but if you get the Lux Package II, you do get the different type of leather on the seats. Now, as to whether that even matters, that's up for discussion. But LPII gets you most of the interior luxury toys of the Overland (except for the nav, you have to order that extra).
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No way to get the contrasting piping on the Limited, but if you get the Lux Package II, you do get the different type of leather on the seats. Now, as to whether that even matters, that's up for discussion. But LPII gets you most of the interior luxury toys of the Overland (except for the nav, you have to order that extra).
I was under the impression the Ventilated Axis Perforated Nappa Leather seats that come with the Lux2 package were the same seats as in the Overland. Didnt realize the piping didnt come with it. I am suprised that Jeep/Chrysler has three different leather seats. I apologize for "false" information. I was simply looking at my chicken scratch notes from this past fall when I was shopping around for my WK2.

Ahh, seems things have changed since the late fall. At that time the only Nav available for order from the factory was the 430N RHB,so I assumed itw as standard on the Limitd & Overland. I was lucky and found an early build Limited with the upgraded RER (I paid $305 for it).

Personnaly, I couldn't deal with looking at the color contrats of a black interior and the Medium Olive Ash wood (too include steering wheel) in the Overland; way too light for my taste. So the Overland was off the shelf instantly for me. However, it compliments the Light Frost Beige well but with kids currently under 5 a light interior was not suitable for me.

Again, it all comes down to an individuals needs & wants. Hopefully, in the coming years Jeep & Chrysler will have not release a vehicle prematurely and have all of the items and options set so we can decide properly.
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Re: Trim level distribution

I don't want to come across as rude, because the insights above are all interesting. However they generally speak to the why of the trim distribution, and not the what of the actual answer. I could do a search of dealer inventory, but the would presumably exclude the vehicles that get ordered and never spend time on the dealer lots. I was just curious if Jeep ever distributed statistics showing how many of each trim are cruising around out there or have been sold in total...
I ask because I remember seeing a "trim level distribution" statistic on some dealer-only collateral at the pre-production timeframe of my old Ford Expedition. It said the Ford was planning to make 40% Eddie Bauer trims, and 60% XLTs. Didn't know if Jeep had some plan as well. Of course, based on the restrictions I'm seeing people experience, I'm not sure Jeep planned correctly...
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I don't want to come across as rude, because the insights above are all interesting. However they generally speak to the why of the trim distribution, and not the what of the actual answer. I could do a search of dealer inventory, but the would presumably exclude the vehicles that get ordered and never spend time on the dealer lots. I was just curious if Jeep ever distributed statistics showing how many of each trim are cruising around out there or have been sold in total...
I ask because I remember seeing a "trim level distribution" statistic on some dealer-only collateral at the pre-production timeframe of my old Ford Expedition. It said the Ford was planning to make 40% Eddie Bauer trims, and 60% XLTs. Didn't know if Jeep had some plan as well. Of course, based on the restrictions I'm seeing people experience, I'm not sure Jeep planned correctly...

The numbers a few of us posted from Cars.com in our respective areas indicate that current dealer inventories are in favor of Laredos. Now this doesn't mean that people are only buying Limiteds & Overlands thereby leaving the lots full of Laredo's. And, this in no way speaks to a plan for production from Chrysler. It just says there are currently a lot of Laredos available. I believe that the "what" will ultimately be generated by the "why".

And, if in your area you see a lot of Limiteds, well, then I guess people in New England had extra money from betting on the Patriots...
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