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Re: turning off auto shut down on 2016 wk2

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You're going to be waiting a long time. I've had my JGC a year last April. I just turned 3,000 miles. I'll tell you this much. If I found out my new Jeep had that system by surprise when I test drove it, I wouldn't have walked away from the dealership, I would have ran away. And I'm no different than anyone else who has lived in this part of the country for the last 25 years.
Then you have no need to be bitching about it as you'll probably keep it for many years. And when the time comes to replace it you'll buy something without ESS... if there's anything left out here without it, right?

I couldn't care less one way or the other.

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Re: turning off auto shut down on 2016 wk2

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And when the time comes to replace it you'll buy something without ESS... if there's anything left out here without it, right?
3,000 miles a year = 50 years to 150,000 miles. (What my trade in had on the odometer). I'm 63 years old. 63 + 50 = 113. I wish I was as confident as you that I will live that long. Let alone still be driving!
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3,000 miles a year = 50 years to 150,000 miles. (What my trade in had on the odometer). I'm 63 years old. 63 + 50 = 113. I wish I was as confident as you that I will live that long. Let alone still be driving!
One can always hope, you never know.
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One can always hope, you never know.
Very true!
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Re: turning off auto shut down on 2016 wk2

The feature has been discussed at length...the starter is specially designed for this purpose relative to lifetime and there's additional battery support, too. Unfortunately, I doubt you'll be able to disable it or rip it out...it's part of the vehicle programming. And as has been mentioned, most vehicles will be equipped with this at some point, regardless of brand and model.
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Re: turning off auto shut down on 2016 wk2

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And as has been mentioned, most vehicles will be equipped with this at some point, regardless of brand and model.
That's just an assumption. This was obviously done as a quick, band aid fix to get around mileage or emission standards.... Perhaps both. Virtually everything published in the automotive world in the last 5 decades, has done articles that discuss at great lengths how stop and go driving is one of the hardest things on a vehicle. Add in shutting down and restarting the engine every time the vehicle comes to a stop, and the mechanical deterioration can only be enhanced. Especially on a conventional wet sump, overhead valve V-8.

The Chrysler HEMI is an immensely popular engine that sells a lot of vehicles. It is not known for stellar fuel economy. Especially in regards to fleet averages. Add in the fact a large number of their vehicles are equipped with it, and they could very well come up with something in the near future, far more suitable and sensible for long term mileage and emission improvement. Besides this Rube Goldberg abortion. I would not bet on this nonsense getting under the hood of every vehicle manufactured any time soon.... If EVER.
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That's just an assumption. This was obviously done as a quick, band aid fix to get around mileage or emission standards.... Perhaps both. Virtually everything published in the automotive world in the last 5 decades, has done articles that discuss at great lengths how stop and go driving is one of the hardest things on a vehicle. Add in shutting down and restarting the engine every time the vehicle comes to a stop, and the mechanical deterioration can only be enhanced. Especially on a conventional wet sump, overhead valve V-8.

The Chrysler HEMI is an immensely popular engine that sells a lot of vehicles. It is not known for stellar fuel economy. Especially in regards to fleet averages. Add in the fact a large number of their vehicles are equipped with it, and they could very well come up with something in the near future, far more suitable and sensible for long term mileage and emission improvement. Besides this Rube Goldberg abortion. I would not bet on this nonsense getting under the hood of every vehicle manufactured any time soon.... If EVER.
That's what makes the arguing pointless. It's not on the V8 and the V8 is only going to be around for maybe a couple of years in the GC at best. I doubt if they'll even bother putting ESS on it. Why are you so worried about this?
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......the V8 is only going to be around for maybe a couple of years in the GC at best.
Yet another assumption. I've been hearing how the V-8 is going away in American cars for the last 20+ years.
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Yet another assumption. I've been hearing how the V-8 is going away in American cars for the last 20+ years.
LOL... I'm talking about the GC, or haven't you been paying attention in your desire to continue arguing this point?
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LOL... I'm talking about the GC.......
So am I. It's an American car with a V-8, is it not?
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So am I. It's an American car with a V-8, is it not?
No, actually it's not.
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Re: turning off auto shut down on 2016 wk2

Look, I'm not going to argue silly technicalities with you. I'm simply saying I'm not buying into your claims that, "This is coming, and you better get used to it, because you won't be able to buy a car without it soon".... Or the old, "Pushrod V-8's are going the way of the horse and buggy", routine. That's all. Especially when there is zero evidence to suggest either.

I heard much the same nonsense with Ford's, "Military Grade Aluminum" F-150 truck bodies. "You won't be able to buy a steel bodied truck in 5 years!".... Now, due to lack of customer acceptance, along with higher insurance premiums brought about by increased body repair cost, F-150's are at their lowest sales point in years. And many are discounted 5 digits in order for dealers to try and move them. Consumer rejection of the Aluminum body is one of the main reasons why. Meanwhile, both Silverado and Ram truck sales are increasing.

My point is simply this. When a car company comes up with something bone headed, that most customers don't want, and try to force on people. And at the same time try to discontinue what they do want, you aren't going to experience stellar sales. People won't be FORCED into spending their hard earned, (or borrowed), money on something they don't like. They'll look elsewhere for what they do.

And in a capitalistic business society, it's a damn sure bet someone will provide it. Where there is demand, there will always be supply. Remember when they said, "The American muscle car is dead!"? That was 40 years, and about 300 less horsepower ago. Done, OK?
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