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Old 01-28-2011, 11:22 AM
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

I dont have any pics of driving in the snow but just NE of Baltimore, MD we rec'd 4" of snow Wednesday morning. Then, on my way home (around 5pm Wednesday) it started to sleet, and we rec'd another 8" between 6pm and midnight.

Here are some pics of the snow at 8pm Wed and then Thurs morning around 8. My street is decent because we have a private company plow. Anyway, went to work Thursday around 10am and the secondary county roads were terrible - couldnt even see the asphalt, probaly 3-5 inches of packed snow from other drivers.

Well, my Jeep took me through the back county roads effortlessly and I am running the stock Michelin Latitudes with QT2. I too got a bit crazy to see how the Jeep would respond and was able to keep complete control in Auto Mode. I didnt see the need to switch to Snow mode.

It just started snowing again, so we will see how the ride home is...
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Old 01-28-2011, 11:32 AM
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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My wife has grudgingly accepted the need to replace our trusty '94 Limited with a new Overland. But yesterday when she got stuck in 18" of fresh show, she seemed for the first time to be looking forward to the changeover because of the QL's lift.

Has anybody actually found QL to be of real use in making it through deep snow? In principle it should be a great idea, but it doesn't seem to be getting much mention as an aid in getting through drifts and such.
I used it while I was in MI for Christmas to go through 11"+ of snow off road. I knew it was helping because if I passed 40mph it would lower onto the snow and tires would free spin. Lift the vehicle to ORII position and I was able to move again.

On the highway if limited to 40mph (I think that is what the speed limit is in this mode) would be the only hold back, but on that same note, 18" of snow you dont' need to be doing 60 LOL.
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Old 01-28-2011, 02:15 PM
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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I used it while I was in MI for Christmas to go through 11"+ of snow off road. I knew it was helping because if I passed 40mph it would lower onto the snow and tires would free spin. Lift the vehicle to ORII position and I was able to move again.

On the highway if limited to 40mph (I think that is what the speed limit is in this mode) would be the only hold back, but on that same note, 18" of snow you dont' need to be doing 60 LOL.
Thanks, that's encouraging. The short stretch of unplowed snow we regularly have to go through is closer to 4 MPH than 40, so no problem.
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Old 01-28-2011, 02:44 PM
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Ok so after a few weeks of driving on snowy/icy roads I'm not really all that happy with the performance on snow and ice. Honestly it feels more like a rear wheel drive vehical than not.

With my old TJ and even my 06 Grand (basic laredo 4x4) when I'd get on the gas in a snowy corner the vehical would spin but the front wheels would pull it around the corner and keep from getting too loose. With the WK2 I was testing the abilities in a empty lot so I could get use to it's feel and the tail end would come around on me almost every time. Normal and snow modes.

I thought maybe that the Hemi just had too much power but the more I test it the more it seems like something is wrong. This morning I put it into 4 low to see if I could feel the front end grab on dry asphalt and even around a corner i did not feel the binding like I think it should have.

Anyone else think this is very wrong ? I'm getting to the point of changing clothes when I get home tonight and making sure the factory didn't forget to install the front drive shaft!
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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You are right, they are not snow tires. But, this thread is about snow performance, NOT snow tires. Do snow tires outperform non-snow tires in the snow? Absolutely. But, for those that want an all-around performing tire, including in the snow, then I see nothing wrong with recommending a non-snow tire.
You should than suggest conditions limits, because your tire will not perform in low temperature as well as around 32F. All season tires become stone hard in low temp's and will just sleep in snow and ice. Snow tires will be same in any temperature, that is main advantage.
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Old 01-28-2011, 03:38 PM
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

^Brietling65, agree with your comments about all seasons and the great snow performance of Blizzaks, but note that all seasons are not the same as AT's with snow ability.

The Destination AT's have great snow manners and they do have additional siping, softer compound, and a more aggressive tread than all seasons.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

Destination AT's are fantastic tires all around. I had them on my KJ. The snow performance was top notch for an AT. As was mud performance, thanks to the siping mentioned above. Lastly, the tread pattern is designed to be noise canceling - the tread actually generates noise that destructively interferes with itself, giving you an on-road ride as quiet as an all-season tire. I will be buying these for my WK2 when I wear out the OEM jobbers.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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Destination AT's are fantastic tires all around. I had them on my KJ. The snow performance was top notch for an AT. As was mud performance, thanks to the siping mentioned above. Lastly, the tread pattern is designed to be noise canceling - the tread actually generates noise that destructively interferes with itself, giving you an on-road ride as quiet as an all-season tire. I will be buying these for my WK2 when I wear out the OEM jobbers.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

I hear you 100%. Was having terrible trouble with my BMW X5 4.4i over the past 1.5 months. Long story short: Car was towed 3 times due to engine misfiring / service engine soon light. Service bulletin says that valvetronic levers should be replaced ($5-$6K) but car would not fail "physical lever test". My warranty was just about up so trade-in was the only option.

Jeep GC is the best value out there in terms of power, technology, interior luxury, styling, etc. I test drove Range Rovers / BMWs and felt that the Jeep was right there on styling and luxury - the kicker for me was the fact that the Jeep has legit off-road and towing capability. I was sold.

Until I drove it over the past few days in heavy new england snow. Don't get me wrong, the Jeep does just "fine" in the snow. But, after years of driving the X5 all wheel drive system with Blizzak's, I don't feel all that comfortable in the Jeep at speed. It understeers and pushes through corners. The rear breaks free under moderate acceleration with a significant delay in power transfer to the front. My initial reaction was that something had to be wrong with the all wheel drive system.

For the record, I recognize that 20" OEM "all season" tires and wheels are by no means intended for superior snow performance. However, I would expect a brand new all season tire to perform better than the High Performance Summer 285/50/19 summer rubber on the BMW (Despite having winter wheels and tires, I've been stuck in a few snow storms early / late in the season in years past).

All that said - I'm encouraged to see that a sensitivity issues has been identified and a service bulletin exists to address the issue. I'll have my dealer do the udpate at the first service and I'll be on 18" wheels with Blizzaks next winter!

Anyone else have experiene with the traction control update before and after in snow?
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Ever since I deflated the tires to a normal setting versus the factories way high pressure, I've had tons more confidence with the stock 18s... I went up and down a Hell of a steep inplowed mountain road with about 6" of snow on it without any problems
What deflated pressure are you running? This may help me?
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^Brietling65, agree with your comments about all seasons and the great snow performance of Blizzaks, but note that all seasons are not the same as AT's with snow ability.

The Destination AT's have great snow manners and they do have additional siping, softer compound, and a more aggressive tread than all seasons.
Would be interesting to see how "aggressive tread" will help in with inches of ice on roads as we have today in NJ. That is what Blizzak's are for
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

Can anyone comment on the ESC update? I'm still frustrated with how this Jeep handles in snow.
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