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Re: Unsure about snow performance

Here in Norhern Michigan, where we see more than our fair share of snow, I have had no problems with the stock tires on my Overalnd. Now my wife's Volvo, those stock tires were worthless.

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Old 02-09-2011, 08:11 AM
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I live on the east coast of Canada and went out today in the snow. I am used to an Audi with snow tires and I must say these all seasons blow. I will be getting a set of snow tires very soon.

I just need to know what is the best options for wheels + tires + Pressure sensor combo. I don't know if I should get 18's or just put winter shoes on the 20's. I don't want to spend more than $1500 probably. And I don't want a hassle either.

Any info on what would be best would be really appreciated.
I bought from Tire Rack, 18" Sport Edition wheels, Blizzaks 265/60-18, with sensors, all mounted, Road Force balanced delivered to my door in southern Ontario for $1865 all inclusive of taxes, import duty etc. All the delivery expenses are calculated and paid by Tire Rack. You just pay them one price. This worked out about $600 cheaper than me buying locally. Took 5 days from order to my door.
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I bought from Tire Rack, 18" Sport Edition wheels, Blizzaks 265/60-18, with sensors, all mounted, Road Force balanced delivered to my door in southern Ontario for $1865 all inclusive of taxes, import duty etc. All the delivery expenses are calculated and paid by Tire Rack. You just pay them one price. This worked out about $600 cheaper than me buying locally. Took 5 days from order to my door.

I did same besides I got used Jeep rims on Ebay, cheaper and same Jeep logo and look. No need in sensors for me, funny that I drove about two days without them until lightbulb flashed on dash
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So this is basically entirely false. Don't go spreading this crap please.

I grew up in Vermont on unpaved roads and also lived in northern VT with lake effect snow. This was for the first 25 years of my life. My family never bought snow tires. We used all-seasons and had plenty of front-wheel drive vehicles and did just fine. No accidents and were not a menace to society. Take your time and drive intelligently, learn how to drive in the snow. I learned to LOVE driving in it (except for the morons out there who don't respect it).

Snow tires are not a "requirement" in most locations. They are nice to have and definitely make it better and safer, but only a small percentage of people actually must have them to make it up their driveways, to their farm roads, etc.

I will never knock someone for buying them, it's a smart move, but don't tell people they are a menace if they don't. Do you work for a tire company?

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So you're saying you don't know any better, but you drive really slow. Great. I love you. So do the other fifty cars in the parade behind you. That's the 'menace' part. I'm not kidding.

You can safely drive much more quickly on snow tires than you can on a/s tires. It's a fact. Just because you don't know any better, doesn't change the facts.

Here's a great place to start reading some facts.

For the record, I don't work for a tire company, but I do have four cars and four sets of snow tires that go on all of them every winter. I learned to drive in the snowbelt of western/northern Michigan, and have since moved to Jackson, WY. I regularly drive over steep mountain passes that see as much as 50+ FEET of snow every year, with 10% grades, and I don't see the pavement on my road for months on end. I have a/s tires on my cars in summer, because it can snow in the summer too at higher elevations. I used to track cars as well, and have owned a number of high performance cars. I drive all over the mountain west in the winter. I've never had an accident, damaged a car, or left the road, despite driving more quickly than a lot of other cars. It is partly skill and experience, and with that comes knowing what works and what doesn't.

I know very well the difference proper snow tires make, and I know how slowly people drive who don't use them. Funny thing is, as slow as those clods drive, they're still far more dangerous than if they simply equipped their cars with proper tires and drove the speed limit.

You can argue all you want, but you can't change the facts. Snow tires are safer than all season tires. Do some proper research, and maybe you'll buy a set. Then maybe you'll have a basis for an educated opinion.

Watch these videos, and tell me proper snow tires make no difference:





I'm sure you'll chalk it up to 'trying to sell tires', and that is true - but it's for a good cause: Saving lives.
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Up here in Seattle there usually isn't enough snow around town to go with a winter tire. I'm only concerned with driving through the passes to get to the mountains. The destinations should work out perfect for my conditions right?
I would look at the Nokian WRG2 SUV all season tires. They won't get worn out driving around the coastal climate, but will perform better than any other all season tire in the snow.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

The Michelin website doesn't even mention snow in the description for the Latitude Tires and their off-road rating is only 4 out of 10.

I like them for dry pavement as they are very very quiet. However, I do go up to Lake Tahoe over the passes and pull 2 snowmobiles behind on my trailer.

My previous 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd. had studded snow tires and you couldn't get it to kick out no matter how hard you tried. I was very very very impressed with the QDII and its ability to keep things under control even when trying to get the rear end to kick out.

The stock Latitude tires are very nice on the dry roads (no rain around here yet to try that). But in the snow they aren't good enough.

I've bought an extra set of 18" Jeep Wheels from another 2011 and they will arrive soon. You guys got me to thinking about which tires to put on.

I've researched on the GoodYear, Michelin, Firestone, etc websites and the ones that I like the best are the GoodYear Fortera TripleTred. They (i.e., GoodYear) rate them as Dry Traction 10, Wet Traction 10, Snow Traction 10, Off-Road Traction 5, and Quiet Ride 8.

I'd like to know if anyone has any experience with these tires?

I had the Blizzaks on my VW New Beetle and they wore out real fast. And that is on a car where the stock tires made it over 100K miles. I can only imagine how quickly they would wear out on the heavy WK2 Overland. (They were great tires on the ice though)
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I had the Blizzaks on my VW New Beetle and they wore out real fast. And that is on a car where the stock tires made it over 100K miles. I can only imagine how quickly they would wear out on the heavy WK2 Overland. (They were great tires on the ice though)

Above quiet lame winter tires description and expectation in general based on how long they might last. Do you think tires should last forever and be rock hard to never die? Idea of winter tire is that they are soft while temperature is low, they could provide grip while other just spin. Comparing tires for Beetle to tires for GC is another lame point, are the same size/load between two cars? Do you care that tire could save your life and life other people while you driving your car on snow/icy roads? If you don't than just stay with stock tires, they are pretty good and matching your descriptions.
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Above quiet lame winter tires description and expectation in general based on how long they might last. Do you think tires should last forever and be rock hard to never die? Idea of winter tire is that they are soft while temperature is low, they could provide grip while other just spin. Comparing tires for Beetle to tires for GC is another lame point, are the same size/load between two cars? Do you care that tire could save your life and life other people while you driving your car on snow/icy roads? If you don't than just stay with stock tires, they are pretty good and matching your descriptions.
I put snow tires on my SLK350 (I know, strange) and they have lasted me 6 winters and are good for another 6 if I have the car that long. I replaced the summer tires (not all season) a year ago.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

Without a doubt snow tires perform better than their all-season cousins in snow/slush, but the debate about whether or not it is imperative to install dedicated snow tires depends on the number of days one must drive through snow/slush. If it's more than half the time the answer is obvious. Each driver should be responsible to evaluate their needs. If it were such an extreme, states like Oregon (who require traction tires in the mountains) would specify "snow tires" or chains for mountain passes rather than all-season M&S tires. It's been a few years, but this was per the Oregon State Police while I was on vacation there.

By contrast, in Chicago we only have occasional days where there is snow/slush on the road. When that occurs, our roads are usually clear within a day or two; in the case of our 22" blizzard it was closer to three days. During the rest of the winter, the roads remain rather clear but are often wet. In my particular case, an all-season tire (my favorite: Firestone Destination AT) is a better choice for me than the hassle of switching to snow tires which, in my experience, provided no tangible benefit on roads without snow/slush. For 10% of the time I might need them, dedicated snow tires have not been missed. For other locales, snow tires may be the better choice.
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an all-season tire (my favorite: Firestone Destination AT) is a better choice for me than the hassle of switching to snow tires
Hassle? It takes one hour for me to change one set on another every March/Nov, biggest hassle is to bring them in/out of basement
Also you are missing point that even when no snow/slush on roads but just very cold outside, road might have hidden ice or slippery condition.
In this case all-seasons not perfect as well since tire compound is much harder than winters. AT tires are good for off-road, mud and OK for what I said, but not perfect as Blizzak’s are. Besides with my type of driving and the way I am changing them with summer set - winter tires lasts 3-5 seasons min.
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Hassle? It takes one hour for me to change one set on another every March/Nov, biggest hassle is to bring them in/out of basement
Also you are missing point that even when no snow/slush on roads but just very cold outside, road might have hidden ice or slippery condition.
I travel a lot, especially during winter months which means I'm not always in Chicago. If I would do the swap, I might get one season on a set of snows; it's a hassle to mount new shoes every year and have them balanced as well as keeping multiple sets of wheels around for the several vehicles we own and use. When I'm going to FL and then on to Virginia before going home, I would have to swap wheels because snow tires are terrible in warm climates; that's another hassle. Like I stated, it's an individual decision. If we lived in mountainous states or rural areas and did not travel south often then yes it would be worth the hassle.
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So you're saying you don't know any better, but you drive really slow. Great. I love you. So do the other fifty cars in the parade behind you. That's the 'menace' part. I'm not kidding.
Excuse me? Where did I say that? Sorry "Sarge", but what's with your bantering about people being a menace if they don't buy snow tires THEN misquoting and assuming things about me???

Other than that, welcome to the forum...you've certainly made a first impression.

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