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I'm waiting on some more wisdom from a certain individual with five letters.

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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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My 2 cents:

They are Winter tires....not snow tires.
They are designed to work in cold weather.

So, the amount of snow is irrelevant....it's the low temperatures that matters.
Sort of. I read through that Car and Driver article and it specifically said that the winter tires performed about 20% less effectively on wet/dry pavement in the cold weather (relative to all-seasons).

They had poorer traction (skid pad, braking, etc) than the all-seasons unless they were specifically on snow covered ground.

So just colder conditions doesn't seem to warrant a winter tire.

To pertain back to the original thread: My snow performance has been pretty good. Not "great" with the stock tires, but better than any other vehicles I have had with 4WD or AWD and all-seasons. It handled 2 feet of snow dumping while I was in VT last month, and inspired plenty of confidence on 100% snow covered roads. I went through a couple of unplowed driveways (with plow buildup at the end), at least 24" of snow and it never thought about getting hung up.

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Re: Unsure about snow performance

I can't believe this thread is still going on...

If you shown down and drive careful you can go practically anywhere you want to go with the stock tires. If you need to feel more secure - then by all means get snow tires.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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I'll reply one more time and then drop it, I can't stand people that fight in forums, and I don't want to become one.

1. Never having owned snow tires does not make me clueless as their use and value.
In practice, it absolutely does. What's your opinion of Stephen Hawking's latest theories. Because your opinion, however ignorant, should be heard.

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If the tires I have purchased over the years have kept me safe and give me confidence in my driving and conditions, why am I a moron for not just "buying better ones" based on the word of others? Not owning something does not make people unaware of the value...I can read after all.
Well, your introductory line of 'stop spreading this crap' was certainly not a very illustrious example of having done any research on the topic. Certainly you made it clear you have no experience on the matter. So why dig deeper? Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.

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2. Take your time. Yes, I believe that going slower in the snow is warranted. Are you going to disagree with me on that too?
No, it's just that to maintain an equivocal safety envelope to someone with proper snow tires, you have to drive about half the speed. Which makes you a parade-leading menace, or, if you drive faster, a danger to the public. Or stay home if it's snowing. Or pull over frequently to let others by. Your choice.

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For the last time, that doesn't mean I drive like grandma on Sunday.
You should, if you don't have snow tires. Else you're reckless.

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It just means I keep more distance to the cars in front of me, keep the speed to safe levels for the conditions, and "go easy". That's how I learned to drive in the snow living in VT. If you tell me (and I hear others back it up) that with good snow tires I can drive on snow like it were dry pavement, then damn, I will go buy a set.
You can often drive on snow as if you were on gravel, instead of ice. It makes a huge difference.

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3. There is nothing wrong with people choosing to purchase snow tires. In my opinion they are not necessary in most conditions. Obviously you disagree, and I take exception to people who throw around opinions as if they are facts and dump on others for not seeing it their way. Hence the point of my first response.
What I've told you is fact, not fiction. Watch the tire rack videos and see precisely what a difference they make. It couldn't be more clear. See if you can find a good discount on a new set at the end of the season, and try them next year. At least then you'll know the difference. (they work best when new, but once past 60% tread, most of the stickiest, softest compound is gone, making them marginally better than all season tires. Even so, driving in the winter you can get 5 or more seasons out of them depending on when you install them (wait for cold temps to bother).
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You can often drive on snow as if you were on gravel, instead of ice. It makes a huge difference.

I agree with every word, on both of mine cars/sets of Blizzak's I am driving on highway's left lines (normally most ice and slush is there) without even worry that my speed is over speed limits already I can't see difference with dry conditions on these tires, that is how good they are.
I drove on stock all-seasons 2-3 days on my JGC this winter before my Blizzak's arrived from TireRack and as you said huge difference!!! They are dangerous in bad conditions as we have all winter long.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

Anyone that thinks the stock tires are dangerous in the snow need to go take a drivers training course - the tires are only as dangerous as bad drivers make them
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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Anyone that thinks the stock tires are dangerous in the snow need to go take a drivers training course - the tires are only as dangerous as bad drivers make them
I agree. Sure snow tires would be better but the stock (Goodyear in my case) tires are not dangerous.
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Anyone that thinks the stock tires are dangerous in the snow need to go take a drivers training course - the tires are only as dangerous as bad drivers make them
It's a matter of the available performance envelope. The Fortera HL is decent in the snow. But the Blizzak DM-V1 is superior. And that doesn't take into account sheet ice. You aren't always talking 3" of powder. Sometimes it's 1/8" of nothing but ice thanks to the freezing rain. The winter tires REALLY help then- I've driven on that stuff in a vehicle equipped with the Continental ExtremeWinterContact, and it handled like dry pavement. Some others using quality all seasons were sliding all over the place, and in those conditions, all seasons were indeed dangerous.

You look at the conditions that tend to hit your area and compare that to your need to be out in it when things are at their worst. Most people can afford to wait out the worst of it. Some cannot- my wife isn't one who can (she HAS to get to the pharmacy), so we equipped our vehicles with winter tires. Some seasons they won't be that necessary. This winter they saved our bacon a couple times (we live in a rather hilly area- I don't care how good a driver you are, you can't manufacture traction; managing momentum only gets you so far).

Saying that all seasons are just fine and winter tires give you nothing extra is foolish. Saying everybody needs winter tires is incorrect. In some places they are well advised for everyone. In others, most people will be well served by quality all seasons.

But then, if it's someone's practice to go into the tire shop and buy the cheapest thing they have (only buying for the one or two tires that are down to their steel belts), there's no helping that idiot.
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Anyone that thinks the stock tires are dangerous in the snow need to go take a drivers training course - the tires are only as dangerous as bad drivers make them

That is why we have roads full of accidents every snow storm while people driving on stock and sometimes on bold stock tires thinking they are good drivers. Stop being cheap on your and other people safety!!!

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Re: Unsure about snow performance

If you choose to drive like an ass, even blizzaks won't help you.

For the record, last storm my area got a 1/2" of freezing rain. I did not even slide once in the jeep with the latitudes.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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It's a matter of the available performance envelope. The Fortera HL is decent in the snow. But the Blizzak DM-V1 is superior. And that doesn't take into account sheet ice. You aren't always talking 3" of powder. Sometimes it's 1/8" of nothing but ice thanks to the freezing rain. The winter tires REALLY help then- I've driven on that stuff in a vehicle equipped with the Continental ExtremeWinterContact, and it handled like dry pavement. Some others using quality all seasons were sliding all over the place, and in those conditions, all seasons were indeed dangerous.

You look at the conditions that tend to hit your area and compare that to your need to be out in it when things are at their worst. Most people can afford to wait out the worst of it. Some cannot- my wife isn't one who can (she HAS to get to the pharmacy), so we equipped our vehicles with winter tires. Some seasons they won't be that necessary. This winter they saved our bacon a couple times (we live in a rather hilly area- I don't care how good a driver you are, you can't manufacture traction; managing momentum only gets you so far).

Saying that all seasons are just fine and winter tires give you nothing extra is foolish. Saying everybody needs winter tires is incorrect. In some places they are well advised for everyone. In others, most people will be well served by quality all seasons.

But then, if it's someone's practice to go into the tire shop and buy the cheapest thing they have (only buying for the one or two tires that are down to their steel belts), there's no helping that idiot.
So what do you run in summer?
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Saying that all seasons are just fine and winter tires give you nothing extra is foolish. Saying everybody needs winter tires is incorrect. In some places they are well advised for everyone. In others, most people will be well served by quality all seasons.
+1 Ditto!

Techno is 100% on the money here and regardless of the tire debate, I'll add again that my WK2 performance in snow is very good on stock tires. Else based on other opinions, I could buy a small trailer to carry extra sets of wheels to swap out ensuring maximum traction whenever I navigate through multiple climates/weather: winter set, summer set, rain set, off-road set. We should all do this if we travel beyond our home climate. Let's make this a federal law.
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