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Old 02-15-2011, 01:16 PM
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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According to this thread, it can also be concluded that all seasons and all terrain tires are dangerous to drive in the summer months on roads since dedicated summer tires give a great deal more stopping and handling grip.
I wondered how long it would be until somebody made this point.

The difference in grip between all seasons and summer tires is the kind of thing you'll only notice in the most extreme of situations; the same kind of thing an attentive driver tries to avoid.

The difference in grip between all seasons and winters can be useful in situations that are not as extreme. Winter driving is not like dry pavement; the pavement that is fine a hundred yards back might be covered with a glaze right when you need to stop or turn. Sure, an attentive driver can avoid some of that, but it can bite anybody square on the rear.

If your driving style is one where you'd notice the difference between summers and all seasons, I have to wonder what you're doing with the Grand Cherokee on public roads. Maybe the SRT variants might be more amendable to that kind of driving, but not the regular ones. But depending on conditions where you live and the peculiarities of your own situation, winter tires aren't for the reckless or unskilled as much as they are for people who want that extra edge. Most of the time you may never notice not having that edge. But there's times when you will.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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According to this thread, it can also be concluded that all seasons and all terrain tires are dangerous to drive in the summer months on roads since dedicated summer tires give a great deal more stopping and handling grip.
Two things:

First, it was more about the wet conditions and how well the summer tires performed relative to the all seasons.

Second, it's about finding that "balance". If you're going to put winter tires on for winter, then all-seasons probably shouldn't even be in your rotation at all and you should use summer rubber during the non-winter months due to the wet traction.

In a way it makes a case back for all-seasons They do a decent job in each condition, but don't offer thest best performance in any condition. I assume this was their original intent.

I wish these tests were run with the Firestone ATs a few people have been raving about. I'd like to see the results.

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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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According to this thread, it can also be concluded that all seasons and all terrain tires are dangerous to drive in the summer months on roads since dedicated summer tires give a great deal more stopping and handling grip.

Life in general is dangerous Personally I am not worry about summer much, any tires as longs as they are not bold and could hold load will be safe or OK to use. I will be using stock starting end of March until November or earlier if temperature become < 50F.
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:44 PM
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Life in general is dangerous Personally I am not worry about summer much, any tires as longs as they are not bold and could hold load will be safe or OK to use. I will be using stock starting end of March until November or earlier if temperature become < 50F.
Temps here have been in the 50s-60s the last few days. That had me thinking about swapping back, but it looks like next week will put us back to normal. Winter itself is barely half over. The worst is likely behind us, but we've seen some nasty stuff early March before.

You don't start running into issues with heat with winter tires until you're pushing 80 degrees F. Thankfully, that tends to be out of reach of the usual winter thaws.

I usually go to the winters the weekend before Thanksgiving and go back to the normal ones about early to mid March (that pretty much brackets the snow season here).
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:00 PM
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

We got our first snow and tonight was my first time out with this rig. I'm a bit disappointed. The ESP is probably great for my wife but I like to gun it and slide a bit. No matter what I did the ESP kicked in. A full throttle launch has the front end making all kinds of racket trying to limit slip. I tried all the modes and simply couldn't find a solution to prevent the front brakes from jamming me up.

So I went home and jumped in my WJ.... much better!
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

Adding my two cents ... the stock 18" tires are HORRIBLE! I've never been more embarrassed driving my Jeep than when I was up in the mountains after a fresh snow and couldn't make it up the road no matter what I tried. Spun out like crazy with no traction at all while other trucks went right on past me.

Even with 1" of snow on paved roads the traction has been so disappointing. Previous tires I had on my Jeep Liberty were the Michelin LTX M/S which were always great in the snow.

With these stock 18" tires I feel extremely susceptible to sliding all over the road. Very disappointed.
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Old 12-24-2011, 10:50 AM
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Adding my two cents ... the stock 18" tires are HORRIBLE! I've never been more embarrassed driving my Jeep than when I was up in the mountains after a fresh snow and couldn't make it up the road no matter what I tried. Spun out like crazy with no traction at all while other trucks went right on past me.

Even with 1" of snow on paved roads the traction has been so disappointing. Previous tires I had on my Jeep Liberty were the Michelin LTX M/S which were always great in the snow.

With these stock 18" tires I feel extremely susceptible to sliding all over the road. Very disappointed.
Good to know as I traded in Latitudes for LTX M/S'2 in Oct.
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Re: Unsure about snow performance

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We got our first snow and tonight was my first time out with this rig. I'm a bit disappointed. The ESP is probably great for my wife but I like to gun it and slide a bit. No matter what I did the ESP kicked in. A full throttle launch has the front end making all kinds of racket trying to limit slip. I tried all the modes and simply couldn't find a solution to prevent the front brakes from jamming me up.

So I went home and jumped in my WJ.... much better!
Yeah, all this traction control crap takes the fun out of driving. Why they just don't have a full disable, I dunno, perhaps its the &*^^ lawyers
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Good to know as I traded in Latitudes for LTX M/S'2 in Oct.
What kind of price did you end up paying after a trade-in? Did you have many miles on your stock ones?
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I have had at least 2 extra sets of wheels and tires in my garage for years. We have had FWD and AWD cars, 3 SUVs some with A/S and some with winter tires. I tend to prefer a winter tire like Wintersports since it is more capable in the dry. I am also a very experienced track day guy - had my NASA TT license for a while, so I know a little about car control.

If you want the ultimate in snow and ice traction you have no choice but to have a second set for the winter. Given my background I usually ran summer tires and winter tires on my cars and I am convinced the summer tires saved a lady from getting T boned by me once. It was a clear case of me needing every available ounce of traction and thank God I had it. If I had been driving on all seasons she would probably have been hit. In such a situation during the winter I would certainly wish for snow / ice tires.

I will also say that any comparison depends heavily on which specific tire models and sizes you are comparing. All competition tires are not created equal, I guarantee! The same is true for R Comps, A/S, A/T, Summer or winter tires. I know from experience that Wintersports (admittedly, not the ultimate in winter tires) are on par with the Mich LTX M/S in the snow, but are FAR better on ice. A Blizzak or Nokian would stomp the LTX M/S in snow or ice. I surmised from the Tirerack reviews that some AS and AT are decent in the snow - maybe on par with some winter tires but on ice nothing but the special compounds and siping in winter tires will perform.
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Old 12-24-2011, 08:14 PM
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What kind of price did you end up paying after a trade-in? Did you have many miles on your stock ones?
I had 9900 miles on the Latitudes. Tire dealer said he would take them if they had under 10,000 miles. I paid $950 total bottom line. (Including mounting etc., disposal tax, 8% sales tax, getting out of bed tax). I cannot hear or feel any difference from Latitudes on asphalt. But they look better.
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Yeah, all this traction control crap takes the fun out of driving. Why they just don't have a full disable, I dunno, perhaps its the &*^^ lawyers
Nope, it's the get-rich-quick citizen that looks for a way to sue for anything stupid that they do or don't do so they go out and get those &*^^ lawyers.
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