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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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Get the V6 Gas. No brainer.

I can pretty much afford what ever I want under 100K. The V6 Gas, since the transmission was fixed, is really fun to drive. I never thought I'd really enjoy an SUV. It has the nicest purr.

Take out the Overland and stomp on it. Make sure it has latest firmware for transmission or was built after late December 2013. I think you'll be impressed.

You'll NEVER save money with the diesel. You'd have to average in the high 30's for it to pay back before you hit 100K miles.

You have to ADD $4500.00 + $0.50/gal + Urea $0.10/gal

Also add that fine small of diesel you get on your hands and the bottom of your feet when you fill up. Sometimes, not every time. Because it never evaporates. I've owned diesel and I own a diesel tractor. I hate getting diesel.

And based on comments in other threads it doesn't sound like its great for heavy towing either.

I tow 4500lbs with my V6 Gas. Stays nice and cool. Shifts amazing !! Great engine.

The article posted was dead on. Most of the other reviews sound like an advertisement.

Interesting they said it was noisier than competition too.

If you need to feel Macho, get the diesel.

Oh I use a spray paint mask every time I use my Brand new Kubota Tractor. I Feel sick if I use it all day and not wear mask. I really hate Diesel. Oh and ear protection too (more so for the Box Blade than the engine though, engine noise can wear on you too).

I have an oil furnace at one house. Brand new house. I hate that furnace too. I service it myself. What a god awful filthy fuel. Only worse fuel would be coal.
I drove the limited with a diesel. Going to drive an Overland with regular v-6 tonight. I am coming from a HEMI (2011 Durango), so I like the power but I hate the mileage, and yes I knew what I was getting into with a HEMI, it's the third one i've owned. Thanks for the reply.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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I get about that with Gas V-6. With Cheaper Fuel.

The article was pretty much what I concluded before it was even available.

And now the diesel folks towing are concerned about over heating.

Also no life time warranty to boot.

One thing I disagree with in the article is the shifter. It's fine. Takes some time to get used to. At first it did seem very clumsy.

Not sure if firmware updates helped.
The V6 is flex fuel, so if you live in certain areas, you could mix about 85% of your local 'shine with only 15% dino blood. We get it....
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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This is making the decision process so much harder. I was considering getting the Limited with the diesel. I test drove it and liked it quite a bit, but I can get an Overland with the Pentastar v-6 for less. Cant make up my mind and I think it's going to drive me totally bonkers.
Once you're certifiably bonkers, only an SRT will do.
Meanwhile, don't buy either of those, go for the hemi, otherwise you'll be wandering around crying that you coulda had a V8.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

I love diesels. Too bad they no longer make the noise that they used to.

I'd snatch up the Limited...

All I need/want is the 8.4" and navigation, but that's just me...
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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I drove the limited with a diesel. Going to drive an Overland with regular v-6 tonight. I am coming from a HEMI (2011 Durango), so I like the power but I hate the mileage, and yes I knew what I was getting into with a HEMI, it's the third one i've owned. Thanks for the reply.
You'll be surprised at the lack of torque in the V6 after driving the V8, I think. I have a V6 Overland and I love the car, but I wouldn't mind a little extra torque and overall power.

At the same time, this is not a sport SUV, I'm not towing anything, and I'm doing a lot of highway driving on it. I also have another sport sedan in the garage. The V6 is an easy decision for me. If you don't mind spending just a little more for the V8 and won't be doing too much commuting with it, then it might be a tougher decision.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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Ecodiesel is not even close to the Hemi, and the Pentastar is quicker. All powertrains compared here:

2014 Motor Trend SUV of the Year Contenders - Motor Trend Page 4

So, your statement could be corrected by, "If you want longer range, more towing capacity, Pentastar drivability, and way better economy than the Hemi, the diesel is no brainer."
There is an interesting figure in a table in that summary.

Kilowatt Hrs/100 miles. Basically that factors in Diesel Cost Difference. Your paying for more Killowatts per gallon for Diesel.

The Diesel is ~2% more efficient than the V6 Pentastar.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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The Diesel is ~2 0 % more efficient than the V6 Pentastar.
That's more better
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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Ecodiesel is not even close to the Hemi, and the Pentastar is quicker. All powertrains compared here:

2014 Motor Trend SUV of the Year Contenders - Motor Trend Page 4

So, your statement could be corrected by, "If you want longer range, more towing capacity, Pentastar drivability, and way better economy than the Hemi, the diesel is no brainer."
Beginners mistake comparing the two engines.

Pentastar: 290 hp 6400 rpm / 260 lb-ft 4800 rpm
Diesel: 240 hp 3600 rpm / 420 lb-ft 2000 rpm

At normal RPM driving that you spend 99.9% of your time at 2000-3000 RPM, the Diesel fares very well against the two other engines. If you floor the other engines to get sky high RPM's to get their peak numbers, you are drinking sky high fuel. I don't know anyone who goes around flooring their car constantly.

Diesel has superior driving dynamics where it counts, where the engine spends its life.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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That's more better
And more wrong. Diesel Packs in more energy per gallon and you pay for it in every gallon.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

lol If I was driving a hemi I would have to fill it up, run that out, stop and get 40 dollars more gas, then run that out to get to where my diesel goes in one tank. And yes that is at real numbers that I am getting every fill up compared to real world numbers on the hemi reported here. Course it costs me 5 extra bucks to fill up with diesel so the net is actually 35 bucks I'm ahead. Every tank. It cost me a grand total of 1305 dollars extra to get the diesel. I've already made a chunk of that back without even counting in the extra money I'll get at resale. I'm not only going to get my money back, I'll be making money compared to the hemi.

Course it could have been different. If I could make do with the pentastar I would not have been able to recover the cost of the diesel by the time I sold it and it wouldn't pencil out. A choice I made with my last rig that I didn't need for towing, I got the gas V6 instead of the diesel.

See the difference between those two scenarios is that I used real numbers and don't have an agenda. I like both, see pros and cons either way, choose based on what I need. Since I've sold my truck I will tow a boat now and gas vehicles fall on their asses crossing the mountains which I do frequently making diesel a no brainer. As you can see here one person is already flogging unusually high numbers (numbers I would toss as being too far out of the norm to be credible as a reasonable estimate of expected economy) for his economy while choosing poor numbers for the diesel. As well as using the worst possible buy in position. Plus he hates the smell of his tractor. lol This is not how you make an objective assessment, its how you try and sell an agenda.

Thats why I'm done here. Rather than talk about the subject objectively the gas or diesel fanboys have to start flogging their agenda and there is no end to it with these threads. At any rate, you gents that are on the fence, use your head and look at real numbers and what you want and need. Compare the actual cars you will buy, rather than using a manufactured scenario that you will not drive.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

There is a reason thousands of people waited over a year for the EcoDiesel to be released. I have not heard one bad thing about the EcoDiesel from any of the owners. Get what you want, and what works for you. Those of us with the EcoDiesels love them, and it was well worth waiting a year for the release.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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And more wrong. Diesel Packs in more energy per gallon and you pay for it in every gallon.
Please explain again where did you come up with the 2 % efficiency increase ? The cost of the fuel is another matter altogether. Maybe you were looking for another word or words altogether...I know what you mean, but let's save the word efficiency for what it really is intended to be: a ratio of the output to input, always less than 1 since the beginning of the universe.


Efficiency, as in Thermal Efficiency of an Engine, is definitely in the favor of the Diesel engine. The economics might not be favorable to the Diesel Jeep, but the thermodynamic efficiency is.
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