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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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My 160 miles was a typical business day. I reset the trip meter at the house and left home. I drove through town about 12 miles then drive 2 lane and rural 4 lane most of the day. I ate at Sonic and made phone calls while idling for 30 minutes. Drove through several small towns and had several slow downs for school zones and buses dropping off children. My 2009 Murano with 3.5 liter v6 got 20.4 mpg on that same daily route. If I reset the tripmeter and drive steady at 65, mine gets 36 mpg or better. Attached is a photo for proof. Cruise set at 65. Average speed was less due to a few single lane construction zones and hills.
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I'll trust your EVIC if you trust Mine. And I won't call you a liar and believe that you could get 36 mpg in the diesel. It's still not enough to be more economical than the gas.

I know this is difficult for some of you to grasp.

How much will it cost you to drive 1000 miles?
How much will it cost me to drive 1000 miles?

At those rates?

This is based on the price of fuel in my area currently.

Diesel 1000 / 36 mpg = 27.7 Gallons * $4.20 = $116.66 for the trip
Gas 1000 / 28 mpg = 35.7 Gallons * $3.40 = $121.42 for the trip

So yeah you are saving about $6.00 for every 1000 mile trip.

But you already prepaid $4500.00

So for every 1000 miles you'll gain $6.00

How long before you break even?

$4500 / $6 = 750 trips of a 1000 miles.

So you'll break even at 750,000 miles.

That does not factor in cost of Urea either.

If you compare EPA, Compare EVIC, Compare manually calculated it comes out similar.

Diesel (on the GC) is not that much more efficient $/mile.

And you prepaid $4500.00 up front and have to buy Urea as well.

So let's use summer prices. $0.60 difference and bring Diesel down a bit.

Diesel 1000 / 36 mpg = 27.7 Gallons * $4.00 = $111.11 for the trip

So now your saving $10.00 per 1000 mile trip.

$4500 / $10 = 450 trips of 1000 miles.

So now you'll break even in 450,000 miles.

I might keep my Jeep to 10 Years/200,000K but that's about it. And if I do I certainly want the Life Time Maintenance. Which you are not allowed to get with the Diesel. And no, if I keep it that long I'm not gonna get my $4500 back.

There is no way in hell the Diesel is cheaper to own.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

Wow, where do you live that you're paying 4.20 for diesel? Glad I'm getting 3.65 here in Va Beach. Picked my diesel up a few days ago and loving it. With my HEMI Durango my trip to family in PA used an entire tank to get there and another tank to get back. Durango owners manual suggested mid-grade be used in it, so it isn't like I was using the cheapest gas available. Cheapest mid-grade near me is 3.44. Diesel should be a single tank there and back. Significant savings for me. At the end of the day I'm happy with the engine i choose. Gas V-6 didn't have the power I liked with the HEMI, diesel gave me similar power and better gas mileage over the HEMI. For me it's a win. I say just enjoy your jeep, pretty simple.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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Wow, where do you live that you're paying 4.20 for diesel? Glad I'm getting 3.65 here in Va Beach.

I do not know where he lives, but I know where I live - Crook County, IL, where it is a civic duty to vote early, vote often.

I live close to the O'Hare International Airport.
A quick check of Chicago Gas Prices - Find Cheap Gas Prices in Illinois indicates that over the past 48 hrs the gas prices ranged from:
REGULAR (Jeep) $ 3.65 - 3.79
DIESEL $3.99 - 4.47
PREMIUM (Subaru) $4.11 - 4.39
And if you are mentally incapacitated enough to re-fuel in down town, diesel will run you as much as $4.60 a gallon; premium $ 4.48 and regular $4.19

This will explain why Chicago gas prices are killing us. Probably he lives in a place with similar practices.
Why Chicago gasoline prices are so high - Chicago Tribune

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A taxing story
  • The federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon.
  • Add to that the Illinois excise tax of 19 cents,
  • And everybody in Illinois pays 0.3 cents per gallon for an underground storage tank fund, w
  • Add to that 0.8 cents as an environmental impact fee.
  • The killer is sales tax.llinois is one of only seven states to charge sales tax on gasoline.The Illinois state sales tax, normally 6.25 percent, is added to every gallon.
  • Illinois is unusual for allowing counties and municipalities to tax gasoline.Consider total sales taxes in Chicago: City, county and Regional Transportation Authority sales taxes add another 2.8 percent.
In sales taxes alone, a $4 gallon of gas goes to about $4.31, according to calculations based on figures provided by the Illinois Department of Revenue.

  • The City of Chicago and Cook County not only levy sales taxes but also flat taxes of 5 cents and 6 cents, respectively.

The grand total? Taxes add an average of 69 cents to every gallon of gas in Illinois, and far more in high tax areas such as Chicago.

But wait...there's more. Chicago summer gas - an EPA requirement. It's a cleaner gasoline, aimed at reducing smog-forming and toxic pollutants in the warm summer air. Reformulated summer gas, mandated to be used every year from June 1 to Sept. 15, requires more expensive additives and costs up to 10 cents more than the regular gas formulation that most of the country uses. So, that alone is an added cost. It is used in a relatively small region, essentially a contiguous strip of counties from Chicago to Milwaukee (4 counties). Nobody else in America uses this blend of summertime gas, even in Illinois. T
So whoever thinks they have it rough with gas prices, you are probably having it a lot easier than Chicagoans.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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I'll trust your EVIC if you trust Mine. And I won't call you a liar and believe that you could get 36 mpg in the diesel. It's still not enough to be more economical than the gas.

I know this is difficult for some of you to grasp.

How much will it cost you to drive 1000 miles?
How much will it cost me to drive 1000 miles?

At those rates?

This is based on the price of fuel in my area currently.

Diesel 1000 / 36 mpg = 27.7 Gallons * $4.20 = $116.66 for the trip
Gas 1000 / 28 mpg = 35.7 Gallons * $3.40 = $121.42 for the trip

So yeah you are saving about $6.00 for every 1000 mile trip.

But you already prepaid $4500.00

So for every 1000 miles you'll gain $6.00

How long before you break even?

$4500 / $6 = 750 trips of a 1000 miles.

So you'll break even at 750,000 miles.

That does not factor in cost of Urea either.

If you compare EPA, Compare EVIC, Compare manually calculated it comes out similar.

Diesel (on the GC) is not that much more efficient $/mile.

And you prepaid $4500.00 up front and have to buy Urea as well.

So let's use summer prices. $0.60 difference and bring Diesel down a bit.

Diesel 1000 / 36 mpg = 27.7 Gallons * $4.00 = $111.11 for the trip

So now your saving $10.00 per 1000 mile trip.

$4500 / $10 = 450 trips of 1000 miles.

So now you'll break even in 450,000 miles.

I might keep my Jeep to 10 Years/200,000K but that's about it. And if I do I certainly want the Life Time Maintenance. Which you are not allowed to get with the Diesel. And no, if I keep it that long I'm not gonna get my $4500 back.

There is no way in hell the Diesel is cheaper to own.
Not to get into a pissing contest, but car and driver already figured out that the diesel pays for itself over a V8 in 35,000 miles. No comparing it to a V6, as there is no comparison for the torque for towing.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

And we bought our JGC diesel because..............we didn't want a gas engine and it's a diesel

Screw payback, you pennypinchers , we simply lerrrrrrrrrrrrrv the flexibility of diesels.....
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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I do not know where he lives, but I know where I live - Crook County, IL, where it is a civic duty to vote early, vote often.

I live close to the O'Hare International Airport.
A quick check of Chicago Gas Prices - Find Cheap Gas Prices in Illinois indicates that over the past 48 hrs the gas prices ranged from:
REGULAR (Jeep) $ 3.65 - 3.79
DIESEL $3.99 - 4.47
PREMIUM (Subaru) $4.11 - 4.39
And if you are mentally incapacitated enough to re-fuel in down town, diesel will run you as much as $4.60 a gallon; premium $ 4.48 and regular $4.19

This will explain why Chicago gas prices are killing us. Probably he lives in a place with similar practices.
Why Chicago gasoline prices are so high - Chicago Tribune



So whoever thinks they have it rough with gas prices, you are probably having it a lot easier than Chicagoans.
I don't mind paying gas tax at all. It's the fairest way to tax. You drive, you pay. You drive a pig, you pay more.

I'm in New England, here are prices for different Regions

Gasoline and Diesel Fuel Update - Energy Information Administration

The Gap Between Diesel and Regular is probably the largest in New England.

They show it even higher than I did. Currently $0.87 difference.

There are parts of the country that only show $0.40 difference.
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As has been well documented, the EVIC is very close to actual for most of us...so its a decent reference. I don't get 37.4 in a hand calculated tank, and the Pentastar doesn't get 29 per tank in daily driving either. The other guy got his high mileage as a trip at constant speed which is not indicative of overall economy. That's what you saw from me and I made this clear. If anyone without a diesel GC doesn't believe me....haters are gonna hate.

Also, most of us paid $3965 for the diesel option...1% under invoice. Diesel is 3.60 and Unl is 3.15 in my area. I wanted v8 performance and v6 economy. I paid about 1500 over the Hemi and have a much stronger tranny than the v6.

Maybe having a diesel in Chicago isn't as advantageous? I can see where high fuel cost would adversely affect payback.
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logo, you're also "forgetting" that some of that initial outlay for the diesel will come back at resale time.

Still though, fuel economy and saving money is NOT the reason most choose (or will choose in my case) the turbo diesel. If that is you're only deciding factor, get the V6.

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Diesel owner here in Colorado. $3.49 for regular and $3.69 for diesel. That's about average. I've actually seen regular for $3.69 as we'll and diesel for $3.79. Anybody know why the big fluctuations for gas versus diesel?
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

I get the vehicle cost - fuel comparisons, with regard to V6 Diesel v V6 Petrol, and I thank those that took the time to post them.

I believe that it all depends upon your own personal circumstance with regard the engine that you want in your JGC.

The dollars paid for the purchase of your pride and joy seems irrelevant when you are actually driving the thing in the environment that you want to be in (ie: Towing v 4x4ing v Cruising v Shopping v Camping, etc, etc).

A lot of Motoring Reviewers love the CRD, but the V6 Petrol is much cheaper. Horses for Courses. Each to his own.

What I'm getting at is that the $$$ don't seem to matter if your Jeep is doing what it's supposed to do in the (driving) environment that you want to be in.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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Not to get into a pissing contest, but car and driver already figured out that the diesel pays for itself over a V8 in 35,000 miles. No comparing it to a V6, as there is no comparison for the torque for towing.

He is quoting numbers (and in some cases making them up) to suit his agenda. Its why these threads always go awry. Kind of sad really because the choice of engine is one of the larger questions a person buying this vehicle is going to face and researching it here and on other forums will yield this same result... Fanboys on both side of the fence picking their numbers to suit their agenda. No objectivity, no understanding that people will get different results based on their driving style, that the cost of buy in varies wildly depending on which engine you would get and in what model, etc.

Happens every time. Thats why I said I'm out of here. I keep checking in to see if things have gotten better but uh uh, I'd say I'm about done with that as well.
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I got criticized and called a liar for describing my exact driving style and results...even though I am only stating facts with pictures. Why? Beats the hell out of me. This isn't a contest.

If diesel is too expensive in your region or you don't want to pay extra for v8 torque with v6 economy, or diesel isn't your thing, that's great. For those who are interested, you won't be disappointed as the GC Diesel delivers as promised.
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