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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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He is quoting numbers (and in some cases making them up) to suit his agenda. Its why these threads always go awry. Kind of sad really because the choice of engine is one of the larger questions a person buying this vehicle is going to face and researching it here and on other forums will yield this same result... Fanboys on both side of the fence picking their numbers to suit their agenda. No objectivity, no understanding that people will get different results based on their driving style, that the cost of buy in varies wildly depending on which engine you would get and in what model, etc.

Happens every time. Thats why I said I'm out of here. I keep checking in to see if things have gotten better but uh uh, I'd say I'm about done with that as well.
Yeah, I made the whole .gov web site backing my numbers up for where I live and photoshopped my EVIC.

I don't call the folks quoting their diesel numbers liars or fanboys. But it seems people that can't have an objective response have to resort to calling it a case of fanboy or a liar.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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I got criticized and called a liar for describing my exact driving style and results...even though I am only stating facts with pictures. Why? Beats the hell out of me. This isn't a contest.

If diesel is too expensive in your region or you don't want to pay extra for v8 torque with v6 economy, or diesel isn't your thing, that's great. For those who are interested, you won't be disappointed as the GC Diesel delivers as promised.
Where were you called a liar?

I believed your numbers. Still not good enough personally for the cost of fuel where I live to make it worth while. Pretty much what I expected. But you do seem to be one of very few with those numbers.

Quite few claim similar numbers that I do. But there are way more V6's. So if 1 out of 20 V6 3.6L owners is a liar. Then it all makes sense, right?

I just rechecked the thread.

My response to you was "I'll trust your EVIC if you trust Mine. And I won't call you a liar and believe that you could get 36 mpg in the diesel. It's still not enough to be more economical than the gas."

And the only other response to you was comments about driving while taking pictures.

Holy smoke. Just wow.

I'm really floored. You just lost all credibility in my book. I had no argument with your post and nobody else did either. If you imagine people calling you liar here. Then perhaps you're feel guilty about something.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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Where were you called a liar?

I believed your numbers. Still not good enough personally for the cost of fuel where I live to make it worth while. Pretty much what I expected. But you do seem to be one of very few with those numbers.

Quite few claim similar numbers that I do. But there are way more V6's. So if 1 out of 20 V6 3.6L owners is a liar. Then it all makes sense, right?
Well a little of topic here but v6 gas milage. My 3.7 has peaked at 34.5 at 60 mph turning 1800 rpms. Ill post the picture later to prove it. If I said I averaged 26 to 29 mpg over 100 miles one way would I be lying about it. Like I said my post is a little off topic but I believe his numbers.
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Where were you called a liar?

I believed your numbers. Still not good enough personally for the cost of fuel where I live to make it worth while. Pretty much what I expected. But you do seem to be one of very few with those numbers.

Quite few claim similar numbers that I do. But there are way more V6's. So if 1 out of 20 V6 3.6L owners is a liar. Then it all makes sense, right?

I just rechecked the thread.

My response to you was "I'll trust your EVIC if you trust Mine. And I won't call you a liar and believe that you could get 36 mpg in the diesel. It's still not enough to be more economical than the gas."

And the only other response to you was comments about driving while taking pictures.

Holy smoke. Just wow.

I'm really floored. You just lost all credibility in my book. I had no argument with your post and nobody else did either. If you imagine people calling you liar here. Then perhaps you're feel guilty about something.
Mswlogo,

NO! Not you at all! I believe your numbers as well. I'm responding on a mobile device so its hard to read back and site the posts and frankly it doesn't matter. Those others saying that the mpg results are made up, inflated, or only to support an agenda are essentially painting those of us posting our results as liars....even when proof is provided and the EVIC has been documented to be reasonably accurate. Some people are just jerks.

MPG results are highly variable based on habits, environment, and fuel....and some will never understand why others can achieve better results. I live at 400 ft above sea level and the hills here peak at 600 ft. I drive for business purposes and the cruise is on most if the time. I'm supposed to average 25 mixed and I'm getting 28 mixed, 32 highway. My city driving isn't aggressive and I'm generally just passing through. I live outside of town.

I personally think the v6 Pentastar is a great all around performer for its intended purpose. Its a vast improvement over previous offerings. People don't need to feel threatened that someone else is willing to pay more for a more efficient motor that has a payback over the long haul in markets where diesel fuel isn't overpriced . Its just a choice.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

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Mswlogo,

NO! Not you at all! I believe your numbers as well. I'm responding on a mobile device so its hard to read back and site the posts and frankly it doesn't matter. Those others saying that the mpg results are made up, inflated, or only to support an agenda are essentially painting those of us posting our results as liars....even when proof is provided and the EVIC has been documented to be reasonably accurate. Some people are just jerks.

MPG results are highly variable based on habits, environment, and fuel....and some will never understand why others can achieve better results. I live at 400 ft above sea level and the hills here peak at 600 ft. I drive for business purposes and the cruise is on most if the time. I'm supposed to average 25 mixed and I'm getting 28 mixed, 32 highway. My city driving isn't aggressive and I'm generally just passing through. I live outside of town.

I personally think the v6 Pentastar is a great all around performer for its intended purpose. Its a vast improvement over previous offerings. People don't need to feel threatened that someone else is willing to pay more for a more efficient motor that has a payback over the long haul in markets where diesel fuel isn't overpriced . Its just a choice.
Ok, I've been messed up misreading replies on mobile devices or on forums with confusing replies before too.

But nobody replied negatively to your post since you posted the EVIC picture.

I think EVIC vs EVIC is a fair comparison even if it's arguably high, it's high on both.

Phew. I feel better.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

I don't doubt your numbers, I just consider them statistically irrelevant.

There will always be people who due to driving style, or some other factor fall either on the high or low end of the spectrum. I'm happy that you're having such great luck, but that's not indicative of what most people are seeing. Check out the links below, dismiss the top and bottom of the scales and look at what you get...

Gas V6: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee MPG Reports | Fuelly
Diesel V6: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee MPG Reports | Fuelly
Gas V8: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee MPG Reports | Fuelly

Anyone who's taken a statistics class in school would be familiar with some of these concepts.

In terms of TCO, this has been argued to death. People will spin it whatever way they want based on their bias. I wish some unbiased third party would actually do a real study on the TCO of gas vs diesel vehicles. Oh wait, someone has.

http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmf...ort_dd2017.pdf
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Thank you sir for the the link to the study. A good 3 year TCO is shown on most of the diesels in the study. The "luxury" vehicles typically did the best. I'd attribute that to the weight and use of the vehicles. A heavy passenger car will benefit from a diesel engine yet is aerodynamic enough to achieve respectable mileage on the highway. They, being more expensive, may also have a better transmission with proper highway OD for optimal efficiency.

The GC falls in this category if the depreciation is good. Only time will tell.

Also, anyone racking up 30k miles a year will see a better TCO as well. I'll have 125k or more on mine when I turn her in for another one in 4 years.
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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

Everyone can argue V6 gas this and V6 diesel that, but the truth is, the V8 Hemi rules!


Just kidding........ LOL
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Everyone can argue V6 gas this and V6 diesel that, but the truth is, the V8 Hemi rules!


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Re: USA Today - Test Drive: New diesel Cherokee not quite Grand

You need a lot more responses from fully to take anything from the numbers,you really need 30 responses per variable to get an idea, only 23 v6, 11 diesel and 8 v8.
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Everyone can argue V6 gas this and V6 diesel that, but the truth is, the V8 Hemi rules!

Just kidding........ LOL
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Where were you called a liar? I believed your numbers. Still not good enough personally for the cost of fuel where I live to make it worth while. Pretty much what I expected. But you do seem to be one of very few with those numbers. Quite few claim similar numbers that I do. But there are way more V6's. So if 1 out of 20 V6 3.6L owners is a liar. Then it all makes sense, right? I just rechecked the thread. My response to you was "I'll trust your EVIC if you trust Mine. And I won't call you a liar and believe that you could get 36 mpg in the diesel. It's still not enough to be more economical than the gas." And the only other response to you was comments about driving while taking pictures. Holy smoke. Just wow. I'm really floored. You just lost all credibility in my book. I had no argument with your post and nobody else did either. If you imagine people calling you liar here. Then perhaps you're feel guilty about something.
I doubt he was driving while taking pictures.....LOL. Sorry...I found that funny for some reason.
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