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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

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That makes it a big deal since whoever buys it has to take it back or delay taking it home to get those repairs made, assuming they have knowledge of them. They should have been done at the time of the quality check.
I agree NetworkTV, but I see MDBones point that maybe I shouldn't read too much into the failure to do so. I'm wondering if maybe the dealer is looking at it from the standpoint if the vehicle doesn't sell within x number of weeks, they will take it to auction so why overload their service dept with something that they may not sell off the lot?

Of course that raises the question of why they may be thinking along those lines...

They lower the price $500 each week it's on the lot, so they've lowered it twice since we test-drove it.

We both liked the ride, but I am still nervous about the durability of that QL. I saw a comment from WilliamS on my other thread about the 2012 Overland that he's had his for 90K miles without taking it to the dealer for ANY problems, so now I'm leaning toward taking this one to my mechanic tomorrow for a look-over & test drive. If they won't agree to that, it's off the table and we'll look for a different dealer. We went here because we liked their service on our liberty.

What do you think of the one I'm looking at? (current asking price is $32988, down $1k from 2 weeks ago when we walked after they wouldn't budge on price):

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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

The asking price for that Overland is a little high you can do better. They are still 1~2K too high on price.
If you do come to an agreement and purchase the vehicle the selling dealer will have to perform all safety recalls that apply to the vehicle in question. Free of charge! They really don't have a choice! And Chrysler will reimburse them for the labor and parts.

They haven't done these recalls yet because as someone posted above....if they don't find a retail buyer they may wholesale the Jeep and then it will become someone else's problem.

If I bought that Jeep (for less than they're asking) I would insist on the Brake Recall (P14) being done.

Don't worry about the (P36) sun visor recall if and only if, the headliner has never been touched.

The fuel pump relay issue, http://wk2jeeps.com/tsb/rc_P0915.pdf is a big potential problem!
Check out this thread; TIPM Recall

There is a real fix for this issue it's just that Chrysler doesn't want to pay for installation of the new redesigned TIPM module's to do this recall the right way. I got lucky as I had mine replaced just when the new TIPM's became available while still under warrantee..... most have had this problem after their warrantee runs out at about 30~40K miles!
I would insist on a brand new TIPM module (Mopar part #68244870-AA, TIPM Kit 08035037, for a hemi V8 equipped Grand Cherokee)

DO NOT go for the fuel pump relay overlay harness TIPM hack job "fix"!!

And DO NOT buy this vehicle if the TIPM isn't replaced with that new part #!! Trust me on that!!!!!!

My response is very specific because I've been there, done that, with my 2012 Overland Summit! And just so you know in my experience I've never had a problem with the Quadra-lift air suspension.
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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

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In that case, feel free to skip over my posts in the future if you don't feel they add value.
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My point was, this isn't some dirt old vehicle going up for auction "as is". It's an off lease vehicle sold with a warranty and a declaration of quality.

That makes it a big deal since whoever buys it has to take it back or delay taking it home to get those repairs made, assuming they have knowledge of them. They should have been done at the time of the quality check.
You're making a far bigger deal out of it than it warrants. Between the dealer and the buyer the recalls will be taken care of... I have no doubt about that.
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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

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The asking price for that Overland is a little high you can do better. They are still 1~2K too high on price.
If you do come to an agreement and purchase the vehicle the selling dealer will have to perform all safety recalls that apply to the vehicle in question. Free of charge! They really don't have a choice! And Chrysler will reimburse them for the labor and parts.

They haven't done these recalls yet because as someone posted above....if they don't find a retail buyer they may wholesale the Jeep and then it will become someone else's problem.

If I bought that Jeep (for less than they're asking) I would insist on the Brake Recall (P14) being done.

Don't worry about the (P36) sun visor recall if and only if, the headliner has never been touched.

The fuel pump relay issue, http://wk2jeeps.com/tsb/rc_P0915.pdf is a big potential problem!
Check out this thread; TIPM Recall

There is a real fix for this issue it's just that Chrysler doesn't want to pay for installation of the new redesigned TIPM module's to do this recall the right way. I got lucky as I had mine replaced just when the new TIPM's became available while still under warrantee..... most have had this problem after their warrantee runs out at about 30~40K miles!
I would insist on a brand new TIPM module (Mopar part #68244870-AA, TIPM Kit 08035037, for a hemi V8 equipped Grand Cherokee)

DO NOT go for the fuel pump relay overlay harness TIPM hack job "fix"!!

And DO NOT buy this vehicle if the TIPM isn't replaced with that new part #!! Trust me on that!!!!!!

My response is very specific because I've been there, done that, with my 2012 Overland Summit! And just so you know in my experience I've never had a problem with the Quadra-lift air suspension.

Thank you Raptor--does your warning about the fuel pump relay apply to a 3.6L?
Our mechanic is going to look at it today, so I will share this info with him.

We are thinking of asking for $31K (currently listed at $32988, KBB $36522) which amounts to about $33K out-the-door.
The fact that it was a one-owner leased vehicle with 25K miles on it is appealing to us. What do you think of offering $31K ?

Thank you again.
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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

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Thank you Raptor--does your warning about the fuel pump relay apply to a 3.6L?
Our mechanic is going to look at it today, so I will share this info with him.

We are thinking of asking for $31K (currently listed at $32988, KBB $36522) which amounts to about $33K out-the-door.
The fact that it was a one-owner leased vehicle with 25K miles on it is appealing to us. What do you think of offering $31K ?

Thank you again.
Yes the all WK2's from 2011~ 2013 will eventually have this TIPM problem. All of them!
Chrysler installed faulty failure prone OEM TIMPs on this and several other carlines right from the factory. Doesn't matter if you have V6. If you buy this vehicle and you don't have this issue addressed you will eventually get stranded somewhere with a vehicle that will not start.

The new replacement TIMP Kit mopar part # 68244852AA is for 3.6L V6's.
MSRP for this new TIPM Kit is $882.00/Dealer Cost ~ $543.00

31K for that Jeep (Overland, V6) @ 25K miles is about right. Good luck.
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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

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We are thinking of asking for $31K (currently listed at $32988, KBB $36522) which amounts to about $33K out-the-door.
The fact that it was a one-owner leased vehicle with 25K miles on it is appealing to us. What do you think of offering $31K ?

Thank you again.
I would offer 30,500 and settle on 31K if they won't bite on 30.5. Worst case, if they opt not to accept either amount, walk away.

If they want to sell it bad enough, you'll get a call later that day.

If they aren't willing to field a low ball bid, they shouldn't have a system that relies on negotiating the price.

No one will go hungry here. There's always a way to make money off these sales.
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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

Our mechanic looked at it, said it's a nice truck, but needs new tires (tread looks like it needed front end alignment), which would be close to 1k around here. He agrees with raptor to push for new TIMP part, but is doubtful they will go along with that.

He says to offer 31k on the stipulation that they fix the recalls, & also either put on new tires or come down another $800 and contingent on passing MD inspection, which is tougher than VA inspection.

Their asking price of 32988 does not include a $600 processing fee, which we were assuming would come off in the negotiations, but they let us walk on that 2 wks ago, so not sure how flexible they will be. They don't typically allow taking it off the lot to a mechanic but agreed to that today, so maybe more flexible 2 wks later.

Our mechanic says the suspension can be a money pit, but it is what gives the great ride for long trips too.
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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

Well, just got back from the dealership and left the 2012 Overland behind. They won't replace the tires because they insist they passed VA inspection (our mechanic said no way and definitely won't pass MD).

They said they would align the front end, take care of the recalls BUT only do the fuel pump relay fix suggested by Chrysler (if I understand correctly from Raptor, that is not acceptable and we insisted on new Mopar part suggested by Raptor).

They will not guarantee that it will pass MD inspection and won't let us take it off the lot to have that done and return if it doesn't pass (no return policy).

They won't come down in price from $32988 PLUS a $600 processing fee.
So, we walked again. I told the guy to send me an email if something comes along in our price range and thanked him for his time.

My husband is tempted to call them tomorrow with a counter if they will give us $1000 off to buy new tires, but I'm thinking anybody trying to pass those tires off as acceptable has other things to hide. He kept putting a pen behind the first tread, when it's visibly completely worn...
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Re: Used 2012 WK2 Overland with incomplete recalls

Just got an "important safety recall" notice from FCA yesterday stating my 2013 JGC needed the fuel pump relay. Stated within the notice was this: FCA will fix this defect free of charge but…"However, the part required to provide a permanent remedy for this condition is currently not available. FCA will contact you again by mail, with a follow-up recall notice, when the remedy part is available."

Therefore, I'd contact your dealer to inquire if they have the part before you waste a trip and time.

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If this dealership cannot move this car in the next couple of weeks you may hear from them again offering a better deal. I bought an executive lease 2013 Overland (v-8 with 4wd. It had the radar detection option which costs about $2000 new - i.e. side and back warning and active cruise control) with 25K miles for 32K about 5 months ago. It had a clean carfax report. There was no processing fee and like your situation I insisted that the 2 front tires be replaced as they were well worn. They also had one missing recall done at a local Jeep dealer even though they were an Audi dealer. For reference, the OEM tires are about $150.00 each as I have had to replace the fronts on my wife 011' GC.
So I think for an 012' depending on the options on the Overland should be selling in the 31K range including 2 new front tires. I found mine by searching on Autotrader.com. They were originally asking $37K but came down to $32K after 4 weeks on their lot at which point I went to see the car. Hope this helps.
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If this dealership cannot move this car in the next couple of weeks you may hear from them again offering a better deal. I bought an executive lease 2013 Overland (v-8 with 4wd. It had the radar detection option which costs about $2000 new - i.e. side and back warning and active cruise control) with 25K miles for 32K about 5 months ago. It had a clean carfax report. There was no processing fee and like your situation I insisted that the 2 front tires be replaced as they were well worn. They also had one missing recall done at a local Jeep dealer even though they were an Audi dealer. For reference, the OEM tires are about $150.00 each as I have had to replace the fronts on my wife 011' GC.
So I think for an 012' depending on the options on the Overland should be selling in the 31K range including 2 new front tires. I found mine by searching on Autotrader.com. They were originally asking $37K but came down to $32K after 4 weeks on their lot at which point I went to see the car. Hope this helps.
Thank you very much--I have only been looking at carmax & kbb for vehicles with the convenience features I like. Just went to autotrader and found a 1-owner SUMMIT for only 1K more than the guy is asking for the overland (as far as I can tell, no summit options were added to the overland).

Cars for Sale: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Summit in New Carrollton, MD 20784: Sport Utility Details - 397112034 - Autotrader

I had my heart set on white, but this blue reminds me of the ocean and I like the additional features like the front collision warnings, adaptive cruise control, etc.

My husband says the v8 is going to be terrible for gas --any known problems with the v8 other than lower gas mileage?

It's impossible to judge the condition of this one without being in it (the one we walked away from was pristine & a 1 owner lease, which we liked), but it confirms that something else will come along if they don't come down on the white v6 overland.

Do you think the ACC pkg is definitely worth waiting to find?
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Relative to the ACC feature I think it is great and would not own a car in the future without it. The GC does have a drivers side blind spot and having that warning light come on in the outside mirror when someone is in the blind spot is a really, really good thing. The ACC cruise control feature works very well and keeps you a constant distance from the car ahead and will significantly slow the car down if it senses that you are not reacting to a possible collision.
Relative to the V-8, I have two with this option, my wife's 011' and my 013'. I know of no issues with the V-8; the engine has been around quite a while in Chrysler vehicles and I think is very solid from a mechanical reliability standpoint. I certainly have had no issues at all with the engine or with anything on either vehicle for that matter. Gas mileage is slightly lower than with the V-6. If you plan to tow anything the V-8 should be strongly considered.
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