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Old 03-28-2013, 11:46 AM
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This "drunk" you refer to would follow that up with something like "and it's stronger, provides much more pleasure, and has the ability to handle many positions". Even though this person is drunk, he's still intelligent and speaks the truth.

This technology you constantly speak of provides no tangible benefit....other than gas mileage....and that's only marginally better. You act as though we're comparing a basic cell phone to a smartphone. Silly!

And yes, I still giggle a bit when I think about a man being proud of his V6 Mustang.
Actually the technology has more benefits than just that. The cost savings is about $80/ month for me just on the gas alone. Factor in the initial capital expense plus the increased maintenance and it's a lot more. As I mentioned earlier I'm either going to retire earlier of better I haven't decided which.

Funny you mentioned handling, which is where the real benefit of the Pentastar shines. Near-perfect front-rear balance means better handing in any condition. And of course a lighter, better balanced vehicle stops faster. I had to make a high speed emergency maneuver a few months back and I'm happy to say my Jeep performed flawlessly.

Yes I am proud of my 04 V6 Mustang. I had a 98 GT and my current Mustang only has about 6% less horsepower. It's got about 120,000 miles on it, runs like a watch, and my kids are constantly fighting over the privilege to drive it. My son wanted to take it on a 17 hour trip to Texas last month but I pointed out that since he would be traveling with three friends he'd be better off in the 04 Explorer. "Oh but I'll save more gas" was his response. That would allow him to do more of what the real purpose of the trip was (shoot more ammunition). My daughter's boyfriend just had to sell his 04 Mustang Cobra because since he's in college he can no longer afford the gas. He wishes he had a V6.

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Only reason to buy a V-8 is if you are towing or if you are rich enough pay a bunch more to get a better "feeling" engine.
My Hemi Jeep won't tow much, so I guess I'm in the "rich money waster" category. I also have a Hemi Ram 2500 that gets 10-12 MPG highway. I guess I should have gotten the V6 option in that truck too.
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Actually the technology has more benefits than just that. The cost savings is about $80/ month for me just on the gas alone. Factor in the initial capital expense plus the increased maintenance and it's a lot more. As I mentioned earlier I'm either going to retire earlier of better I haven't decided which.
If you drive so much that the small difference in real world gas mileage (not EPA) between the V6 and V8 still gives you $80 a month savings, and you are so cost conscious (stuff you keep saying about retirement) I am curious - why are you looking at/driving a Jeep at all? Cheap and fuel efficent are not staples of a vehicle like this no matter how you slice it compared to a crossover or wagon.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:24 PM
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If you drive so much that the small difference in real world gas mileage (not EPA) between the V6 and V8 still gives you $80 a month savings, and you are so cost conscious (stuff you keep saying about retirement) I am curious - why are you looking at/driving a Jeep at all? Cheap and fuel efficent are not staples of a vehicle like this no matter how you slice it compared to a crossover or wagon.
I found the EPA ratings to be indicative, as I consistently get a little better than their ratings no matter what car I'm driving. Adding in all the other costs I figure the total monthly savings are quite higher, and that makes a big difference over the lifetime of building my portfolio.

I drive a Jeep GC because I like the smooth ride and handling of the IRS and adjustable air suspension, the gorgeous leather and wood interior, the silky smoothness of the engine, the cargo capacity and the on-road capabilities of the select-drive.

I'm curious as well. If economy isn't a concern to you, why aren't you driving an SRT8, an H1, or a customized Land Rover?
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Actually the technology has more benefits than just that. The cost savings is about $80/ month for me just on the gas alone. Factor in the initial capital expense plus the increased maintenance and it's a lot more. As I mentioned earlier I'm either going to retire earlier of better I haven't decided which.
If you are in it for the long haul, it hard to argue on economics as there are just too many variables. You have been short sighted by picking and choosing favorable points. For example you have not addressing the issue that the current V6 technology introduced, that of difficulty and cost to mass produce. Just how many V6 heads became defective because they are just too hard to produce with precision in quantity? Whats going to happen to the resale value of this generation of V6s a few years from now when most need replacement heads? You also fail to consider that the initial capital V8 investment is often zero due to incentives.

You need to be driving a lot of city miles, more than 1600 miles a month, to see anywhere close to $80 in fuel savings.
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I'm curious as well. If economy isn't a concern to you, why aren't you driving an SRT8, an H1, or a customized Land Rover?
Mainly because those cars cost 80% and up MORE than what I paid for my V8 Overland. A few k in extra gas over the life of the car is one thing, but multiple tens of thousands extra is a whole different league
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If you drive so much that the small difference in real world gas mileage (not EPA) between the V6 and V8 still gives you $80 a month savings, and you are so cost conscious (stuff you keep saying about retirement) I am curious - why are you looking at/driving a Jeep at all? Cheap and fuel efficent are not staples of a vehicle like this no matter how you slice it compared to a crossover or wagon.
What do you think the real world milage difference is between the 2014 V6 & V8?
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If you are in it for the long haul, it hard to argue on economics as there are just too many variables. You have been short sighted by picking and choosing favorable points. For example you have not addressing the issue that the current V6 technology introduced, that of difficulty and cost to mass produce. Just how many V6 heads became defective because they are just too hard to produce with precision in quantity? Whats going to happen to the resale value of this generation of V6s a few years from now when most need replacement heads? You also fail to consider that the initial capital V8 investment is often zero due to incentives.

You need to be driving a lot of city miles, more than 1600 miles a month, to see anywhere close to $80 in fuel savings.
You're making up issues in a vain attempt to bolster your position. If the Pentastar was so difficult to produce it would be more expensive, not to mention the fact that Chyco wouldn't have used it to replace every other V6 in it's line up. And the head issue was resolved long ago.

If you're concerned about resale you should be asking yourself why Chryco even bothered to upgrade such an antiquated design in the current generation of the Hemi. If they wanted a performance engine that would take them into the next decade they would have gone the route of Ford with their new 5.0, which is, of course, DOHC Twin VVT. It's obvious that the days of this design are limited and therefore, purchase incentives are needed to move it out the door, and in a few years from now the sellers of those vehicles will be having to offer their own incentives to unload them.

Sort of like when the horseless carriage came out, the market for buggy whips bottomed out.

I drive a lot of urban miles for work, a lot if idling, and most of my "play" miles are in the mountains, so my real world average is not too much higher than the EPA combined, and I'm definitely seeing a huge savings in fuel costs. I was used to filling up my old V8 SUV weekly and having the pump shut off at the $75 maximum before it was filled, then having to swipe my card a second time to top it off. I rarely see it go past $50 anymore.
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What do you think the real world milage difference is between the 2014 V6 & V8?
It really depends on your driving habits: heaviness of foot, location, city/hwy mix, traffic, flatness of travel etc etc. For my personal situation, I only observed a 2mpg overall difference between my V6 and V8 2012 JGC. YMMV.
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One of the problems with this conversations is that Jeep owners get to choose between 2 (and soon to be 3) fantastic engine choices.

V-6 Pentastar is a great fit for the Jeep, especially with the 8 speed auto. It is much stronger than the 6's previously offered, and the current cost per mile champ.

V-8 Hemi also has a good following. It gets reasonable mileage and pumps out enough torque to tow and give a sporting drive.

Many used the V-8 to have 2 vehicles in one. A fun driving Hemi powered fast car, as well as an awesome off roader.

If one engine was bad, and the other one good, it would be an easy decision, but with two excellent choices, the decision is much more difficult.
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WOW! Who knew the V6 has soooo many advantages over the 5.7. Crazy! And here I am, hooked on a feeling.....

Love this quote. There is no right or wrong engine for the WK2, just personal preference. I've had both, and am also hooked on a feeling... but wish my MPG was a little better. Get the one that makes you happy and respect those who are just as happy to drive the other.
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Love this quote. There is no right or wrong engine for the WK2, just personal preference. I've had both, and am also hooked on a feeling. Get the one that makes you happy and respect those who are just as happy to drive the other.
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