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Old 05-08-2013, 11:36 AM
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

I wouldn't wait. Early tests have been favorable, but it's not much quicker than the Pentastar. It's very heavy. The Hemi is quicker, will be easier to maintain, and is proven.
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

It is obvious that the 240HP of the CRD won't make it a speed demon. You want the CRD because of the torque and MPG. It does not make economic sense if you are comparing it with the V6. It makes sense if you want lots of low end torque vs the V8.
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

I gave up waiting and ordered the v8 this morning. I wanted the torque more than the mileage, however I still think the CRD is the best of both worlds.

Really frustrating that the reward of waiting one more month is a $500 price increase on the HEMI... according to the dealerconnect system (Jeep website still has the old pricing). I sen't Jeep customer service a respectful WTF email, maybe I'll get lucky and they send my a $500 customer cash coupon. Uuugh.
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

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I gave up waiting and ordered the v8 this morning. I wanted the torque more than the mileage, however I still think the CRD is the best of both worlds.

Really frustrating that the reward of waiting one more month is a $500 price increase on the HEMI... according to the dealerconnect system (Jeep website still has the old pricing). I sen't Jeep customer service a respectful WTF email, maybe I'll get lucky and they send my a $500 customer cash coupon. Uuugh.
Congrats on the V8!! Saved money.. and you won't smell.. no matter how "clean" a diesel is.. they always have some stink...
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:43 PM
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

A good answer is to lease a hemi now for 1-2years, then you can decide on switching for the CRD, and it locks in your costs /depreciation on the hemi. You may come out ahead if the hemi resale value tanks because of all the great CRD mileage.
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:58 PM
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

I opted to order a 2013 Overland Summit with the tow package and Hemi last October rather than wait for the CRD. Quite frankly, the dealership learning curve to service diesels is suspect. Another reason for not waiting was the fact that this was not the M-B, Audi, Tourage, etc. 3.0 diesel. I traded in a 2012 Silverado HD crewcab with less torque than the '13 GC. Having owned several diesels, I can't justify the added fuel costs and maintenance costs that will occur with the CRD. Yes, the resale will be stronger, but not enough to sway me.
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

traded for a summit v8 just a few minutes ago that the dealer has coming in next week. were going with the pre may 1st numbers on the hemi. gave up on the crd this generation.
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

All good stuff to think about ms.annthrope.

Don't we have a some track record on small diesels performance/maintenance costs/smog stuff/resale given all the TDIs running around in VW, Audi, BMW etc. Also isn't there a decent track record of the existing smaller CRDs of exceeding EPA numbers, especially on highway driving? Granted the VM Motori is newer.

Around here in NJ diesel seems to be running around the cost of premium but I'll check again at few stations I pass. Was running little higher during winter if I remember correctly.
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

Forgot to add in the cold weather issue of gelling diesel fuel. Diesel is thicker and will start clouding at 40F. It can start thicken up enough at 10F to interfere with starting or running. Diesel owners use additives like Kleen Power Diesel or Howe's or Stanadyne to prevent gelling, kill algae, lubricate injectors, and seperate/disperse water. We also use engine block heaters to keep the coolant about 50 degrees F even in a deep freeze. If you live up north, consider the engine block heater in winter and keep an extra fuel filter or two in the vehicle. If you gel up, you will mostly likely need to pour in Kleen Power Diesel 911, wait, remove fuel filter and replace with a new filter, try to crank again, etc. Worse case is a tow to an indoor facility to thaw out the diesel fuel. That's why truckers run the engine the entire night in winter.

Fuel up in stations that go through a lot of fuel to reduce water condensation in diesel like truck stops. Flyers, Loves, TA, Flying J were on my list on every road trip. Most additives can disperse water but water disrupt engine perforamance and damage parts, and diesel parts are expensive. Bad fuel is also a bane of diesels as they are more sensitive to fuel give the higher parameters of performance and emissions standards. These are not the smoky low powered tractor engiens of yore that can run on motor oil, peanut oil, or kerosense mixed in. They are much more finicky and with injectors running at 25,000-30,000 psi, diesel fuel must be clean and pure.

Many folks are not aware of what it takes to keep a diesel happy and end up being unhappy owners.

I believe some of the VW diesels can hit 45 mpgs, 40 mpg with just some judicious right foot action. Of course the diesel Passats, Bugs, and Golfs are rated at much lower numbers, around 230 pounds of torque and 140 horses. Notice the 3.0 liter Toureg mpg drops to 29 mpg when tuned to near Jeep numbers.

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Old 05-08-2013, 05:13 PM
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Re: V8 vs mythical crd

I drove an ML320 Bluetec (Diesel with Urea system) and put about 22,000 miles a year and I drove it in almost -10F weather a fair bit. I never once needed to plug it in and I saved easily $1200-$1500 a year in fuel cost alone compared to driving a 5.3 Yukon.
You may say that is not a fair comparison with the bigger vehicle but I also towed my 7000 Pound trailer with both and the 3.0 Diesel hands down was an easier less expensive drive. I am not saying that the VM will be the same but it has higher torque and horsepower than my old Bluetec. I am currently hauling that trailer with a 2011 Durango Hemi and it is a tough go (likely would be better with the 8 speed but still).
If I get a chance I will try it out with the new Cherokee Hemi but one thing that you can't get out of the gas engine is those low revs on the highway. I learned that when I switched to the Bluetec, if you are going to tow, the low revs and less shifting the way less stress.... 4 hour haul feels like nothing. I don't know how to put a price on that but if you want to tow with your GC think about that too.
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I wanted to add, I never needed to add any additive of any kind during the entire ownership. The problems I did have with the vehicle were nothing to do with the engine or transmission, both ran flawlessly. The stuff I had issues with were all electronics or electrical
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