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V8 vs mythical crd

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#1 ·
I'm getting impatient waiting for the crd, so started negotiating on a summit v8. I think where I'm going to end up is getting a better deal on the v8. It looks like with the better deal my break even point would be around 57000 miles. Should I wait for the crd or pull the trigger on the hemi? That is the question. Any v8 guys wish they would've waited for the crd?
 
#39 ·
The owner section of Jeep site has 2014 manuals.
Jeep Owners | Download an Owners Manual 2004 - 2011 | Jeep

The user guide has a diesel chapter (pages 119-125). It mentions several EVIC messages and procedures for maintenance but doesn't say the interval - just that the EVIC will tell you.

The maintenance chapter in the owners manual doesn't appear to have anything on the CRD in the maintenance chart, at least that I can find.
 
#38 ·
As long as the crooks in Washington and big oil are in bed together, we will never see a rational diesel passenger car market here in the US. We are just too dependent on the stuff and willing to pay whatever it takes to get it.
 
#42 · (Edited)
I just checked the average fuel price data on the AAA website and it seems that nationally Diesel seems to be approximately 10% more on average over the past year. (I know for some states this doesn't work out). Savings on driving diesel are usually not less than 30% (I have personally seen more but let's stay on the side of caution). So really it would be like saving 20% on fuel every day. In this case it still matters how much you drive and multiply those savings if you tow a trailer but really there are many people that would save money within 3 years if nothing at all changed from today.

Of course I will give you credit on the one note, that globally Diesel is much more affordable and now due to advances in technology cleaner than many gas vehicles on the road.
 
#47 ·
If Jeep wonders why the diesel model doesn't sell very well when it finally comes out, they will only have themselves to blame. I imagine a lot of us here in the U.S. will get tired of waiting and opt for the V6 or Hemi.

Tony
There are others of us as well that as much as I love the Jeep I would need to reconsider and go to something else. I do enough miles and towing that my payback on diesel is less than 2 years.... For those people they simply would be considering a different vehicle all together that has Diesel.:(
 
#48 ·
A good resource is gasbuddy.com, just plug in the zip code of interest and get revently observed prices for reg., mid, premium, and diesel.

Agree the option is best for someone who would have a Hemi otherwise and not so vs the flexfuel V6 for someone who does not drive a lot. Around here the cost for diesel is about 12.5% more than reqular and 6% more than midgrade.

Also think that other than the faux-greens whose other car is a Prius, the real market is for a workhorse and not a GALB. Once production catches up to demand I suspect it will become an option on the Laredo "E", just takes a checkbox on the computer. Q3 or Q4 perhaps when the Cherokee is introed, suspect it will take sales from the Grand.

Taxes can also vary widely between states. Figuring all of the taxes on a gallon of gas or diesel (Federal, State, Sales, underground storage, "component b") would take an accountant and comiled lsts often leave out elements (most confusing is California which seems to differentiate between Inter and Intrastate for diesel).

Bottom line: in 2013 not only do the ultra low sufate lrequirements have an impact on diesel, it also seems to be taxed higher than gasoline. Double whammy.
 
#49 ·
I've been seeing diesel the same price or just 10 cents higher than regular here as of late. Today I actually saw diesel for 20 cents cheaper than regular. First time I've seen that here (MN).
 
#50 ·
Diesel fuel costs often go up before winer and down during spring/summer, then up as summer driving increases. In colder parts of the country, refineries blend #1 and #2 diesel as their winter blend to reduce gelling, then cease blending as weather warms up, lowering costs. Costs will climb again as summer vacations push usage back up.
 
#52 · (Edited)
I can only compare with what I have seen... I have never needed to put Diesel in my tank that cost more than 15% more than gas. I have never seen less than a 30% savings between the diesels I have driven and similar V8s.... also soon at you get over 70 mph the savings start getting higher.
We know that diesel will never jump past the price of gas by more than the above or the entire shipping structure in North America will fall apart. More than 90% of goods shipped on this continent ride Diesel.... Trains, trucks etc. There is a reason they do to and that is efficiency and power
Just the more recent stuff is cleaner.
 
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