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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

I've never knowingly seen a 4x2 Jeep. Does not compute.
Edit: Well, maybe I have. The Jeepsters of my youth were 4x2.

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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

This is hilarious. The marvel is that the Jeep can be outfitted to do anything. Mine does exactly what it was intended to: long distance trip machine mostly outfitted as a two passenger with a lot of cargo space and occasional tow duty for a 3,500 lb camping trailer.

Have had for 2.5 years now and is the best tow car I've ever had. Balance is near perfect 50-50 weight distro. Even gets the same mpg as my other two seaters and never have felt even close to being stuck.

And yes it does rain occasionally here.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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Ive never gotten stuck to the point where i couldn't get out. Im in a rwd gc. Before i started to build it for the street i used to offroad it. Its been burried to the floorboards in mud. Its mostly driver skill and tires equipped.
awesome! Someone with useful input lol. Did you find a tire you liked for Off Road that was also streetable?
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Imissedtheapex, I used to live in nor cal, if you wouldn't mind, whereabouts did this take place? Also, I get where your coming from, I live in OC and we never, ever, need to worry about having a 4x4. 4 out of 5 jeeps I see are 2 wheel drive, mall cruisers and will always be on solid pavement. Our freeways are build with those grooves in the cement to drain the water so our tires always hit the ground. The 2wd jeeps should never hydroplane anywhere unless there is driver error. Im more worried about the crap beater cars that people drive way to fast in when it's raining and hydroplaning into me.

I'm kinda with you on your thinking as well, it's a jeep, I should be able to pull off to the side of the road and not worry about it. I should have gotten the 2wd, cause Ill never need 4x4 from Santa Barbara all the way down to San Diego, but I didn't simply cause I snowboard every winter and don't want to be the guy that has to wait for someone else to drive.

As for some of the other posters, give the guy a break, he just came here to vent about pulling off a paved road just to park and getting stuck. No need to bash him over it. It reminds me of all these huge, lifted 4x4 trucks that just drive around town, getting crap for gas mileage, showing off how large their peckers are.

Yea I literally had the same conversation with myself a hundred times before deciding. I've been snowboarding 4 times in 12 years in CA and it's not a sport I regularly am involved in so I decided to go 2WD. I was in Salinas for the Monterey Motorsport Reunion.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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Do you not tow where it rains? At any rate, the sheer stability that comes with AWD is worthwhile. But if none of that interests you then don't be surprised when your 2WD Jeep gets stuck in minor mud or slips in minor rain or snow.
My last car was a rear wheel drive convertible with 330 horsepower, and LSD and a six speed manual. I never had a single issue with it getting stuck or slipping in minor rain. It was plenty stable. But to be fair, two different cars. Jeep weighs about twice as much as the BMW did.

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Those guys are at least using the car for what it was made for. Lifting them, putting on large OR tires, and so on is totally reasonable assuming they actually do hit the trail. It has nothing to do with "how large their peckers are." I would argue that people that buy fake SUVs (4x2 models, plus crossovers they don't really need) are far worse offenders, particularly if they have NO excuse whatsoever (don't tow).

That is a fairly broad generalization don't you think? There are plenty of guys in majorly lifted 2500 series pickups in SoCal who have NEVER taken their stuff off road. It's like saying the guys who put lowering springs and sticky rubber on their sports cars all take them to the track. Also "fake SUV"??? Then there are alot of SUV manufacturers making "Fake SUVs" by your specification lol.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

For the record....Baja Trophy Trucks are all RWD. Fake SUV alert!!!!

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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

I have to laugh at the fickleness of this forum. I remember not too long ago somebody asked if they should get 4 or 2 wheel drive on their GC. The responses were about 50/50, with the 4x2 proponents being the most vocal. Responses included "it's a waste of money," "people who buy 4x4s aren't real men," "you don't need 4x4 where it doesn't rain or snow."

Now we have a thread with someone who was in a similar purchasing situation (no rain/snow/offroading) and everybody's jumping on him "shoulda got 4x4 DUHHH!!!"

(To be fair, a number of people instead implied that the OP doesn't know how to drive, rather than mock his purchasing decision)
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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I have to laugh at the fickleness of this forum. I remember not too long ago somebody asked if they should get 4 or 2 wheel drive on their GC. The responses were about 50/50, with the 4x2 proponents being the most vocal. Responses included "it's a waste of money," "people who buy 4x4s aren't real men," "you don't need 4x4 where it doesn't rain or snow."

Now we have a thread with someone who was in a similar purchasing situation (no rain/snow/offroading) and everybody's jumping on him "shoulda got 4x4 DUHHH!!!"

(To be fair, a number of people instead implied that the OP doesn't know how to drive, rather than mock his purchasing decision)

haha I suppose that's to be expected though right? It's an internet forum and sadly this same behavior is found on the honda civic forums all the way to lamborghini forums. Apparently some of the Jeep owners here aren't any more classy than any other internet quarterbacks. Meanwhile, I'm probably the only one here that built a race truck and competed in the Baja 1000. LOL @ me not being able to drive.

Also, for all the guys who have been harping on me about checking the LSD box....the truck HAS an LSD. Why do you think I'm so frustrated that I got stuck!

I just really came here to vent a little bit and maybe mention a cautionary tale that a RWD JGC with street tires can in fact get stuck, and people are quick to jump on me.

"I can't fathom a Jeep with 2wd. Does not compute" - kind of an insulting statement if I gave a shit what some dude on the internet thought about my purchasing decision.

People use SUVs for different things. In Connecticut where I grew up, all the SUV driving soccer moms were constantly stuck in the snow while I drove by them in my tiny little front wheel drive Nissan Sentra. I didn't go bear hunting and I didn't have to cart around a pile of children to and from school, so I had a little light car with skinny tires and drove up hill while every Land Rover or Ford Explorer spun all for wheels as they slid down hill backwards...

Only about 3 people here had any kind of useful or friendly answer so I guess I'll go back to asking about which 3M tape is best to black out my chrome or "how cool does your intake sound" since no one here has any real knowledge or data on performance mods....

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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

OP, don't take yoself so seriously, most of it is just good natured ribbing. The WK2 has always been blamed for being a bit soft by the offroad crowd, we're all just driving mall crawlers:

WK2: Rock Crawler or Mall Crawler?

FWIW, while many do, I wouldn't put a RWD tow vehicle on a snot slick boat ramp for fear of turning the tow vehicle into a submarine.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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I have to laugh at the fickleness of this forum. I remember not too long ago somebody asked if they should get 4 or 2 wheel drive on their GC. The responses were about 50/50, with the 4x2 proponents being the most vocal. Responses included "it's a waste of money," "people who buy 4x4s aren't real men," "you don't need 4x4 where it doesn't rain or snow."

Now we have a thread with someone who was in a similar purchasing situation (no rain/snow/offroading) and everybody's jumping on him "shoulda got 4x4 DUHHH!!!"

(To be fair, a number of people instead implied that the OP doesn't know how to drive, rather than mock his purchasing decision)
It only takes a few contributors to change the tone of the entire thread. But of course you're going to get more antagonists of the 2WD model for a thread where the OP complains about getting stuck in it and "why isn't the 2WD better off the pavement???". Because it is 2WD, dummy.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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Imissedtheapex, I used to live in nor cal, if you wouldn't mind, whereabouts did this take place? Also, I get where your coming from, I live in OC and we never, ever, need to worry about having a 4x4. 4 out of 5 jeeps I see are 2 wheel drive, mall cruisers and will always be on solid pavement.
Yea, the 4x2's don't bother me. Also being in OC, what does bother me is seeing all the Mercedes G Series, knowing full well the only way the dust is coming off the 3 locking diff switches is when the car hits the weekly car wash and the dash gets wiped down.

The tires seems pretty low profile as well.

I'm shocked (SHOCKED!), that I have yet to see one of those lifted, with grabby tires, lights, bars, snorkels, etc.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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OP, don't take yoself so seriously, most of it is just good natured ribbing. The WK2 has always been blamed for being a bit soft by the offroad crowd, we're all just driving mall crawlers:

WK2: Rock Crawler or Mall Crawler?

FWIW, while many do, I wouldn't put a RWD tow vehicle on a snot slick boat ramp for fear of turning the tow vehicle into a submarine.
Look, no one is claiming it is a Wrangler or Hummer H1 that are decked out to tackle the Rubicon. But you shouldn't worry about deep snow, easy trails (even after rain), etc. I don't understand why our choices should be limited either to offroad ability is irrelevant and one has to forego all luxuries in favor of something that can do extreme ORing.
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