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Old 08-19-2014, 05:07 PM
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

^DA, you can have it all. My WK2 4x4 is as flawless on date night in the city, as it is in deep snow at 11k' feet elevation, wheeling moderately aggressive OR trails, or towing a heavy load.

I've been gone too long from the board.

The only real serious point here is that it's no surprise a 4x2 SUV with street rubber got stuck in soft conditions. The OP's thread title says as much. In many's view, a 4x2 Jeep is an oxymoron, even if it's only intended for the pavement.

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Old 08-19-2014, 05:26 PM
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awesome! Someone with useful input lol. Did you find a tire you liked for Off Road that was also streetable?
Well this was before i went the street route. But nitto terra grapplers work well
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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^DA, you can have it all. My WK2 4x4 is as flawless on date night in the city, as it is in deep snow at 11k' feet elevation, wheeling moderately aggressive OR trails, or towing a heavy load.

I've been gone too long from the board.

The only real serious point here is that it's no surprise a 4x2 SUV with street rubber got stuck in soft conditions. The OP's thread title says as much. In many's view, a 4x2 Jeep is an oxymoron, even if it's only intended for the pavement.
I generally agree, but just wrote that out as a response to some purists that would turn their nose up at anything that doesn't have solid axles.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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Read this and your sig in quick conjunction.

Honestly not sure why the 2x4 model is RWD. Wouldn't FWD make more sense for a SUV if it wasn't 4/AWD?
I'd agree, either a rear engine or a FWD would put the heaviest weight over the driving wheels... unless you have a very hefty mother-in-law for ballast.

Ever see a sport pickup on loose traction?

Rather than pure 2wd, perhaps a very limited awd would be a good option for the entry level units....

However, you CAN bury a 4wd, but the difference is that you bury all 4 wheels instead of 2.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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what are you talking about? burying tires indicates a lack of paying attention? how often have you parked on the side of a road. When have you ever expected it to be silt? When you pull out of a parking spot do you make a 3 pronged plan of attack? Check the soil for viscosity and depth? I'm guessing not... Gimme a break dude.
Well, since you decided to be snotty about it, I'll just come to the conclusion that your driving style matches your posting style and really don't need to know much more.

But, I would challenge you to ANY vehicle type on any terrain as long as the two are matched, since it appears you are unable to detect your own weaknesses and I've got decades of figuring out how NOT to get stuck after having done it a few times.
One of them IS paying attention to the vehicle......

Have a nice day...
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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Ok, I'll use some of the arguments made around here...if you were to buy a porsche, would you not kind of maybe have the tiniest expectation that it would be sporty and handle well??
Not if I bought the low end model and couldn't be bothered to learn how to drive it... or tried to take on a FWD Mini.

It is surprising how many folks manage to drive off road in ordinary pickups, with or without limited slip. Very light in the rear, prone to tire spinning--yet ranchers all over the place manage. Possibly after a few hikes back for a tractor and a chain--which can be an educational experience particularly if there are other folks around.
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Yea, the 4x2's don't bother me. Also being in OC, what does bother me is seeing all the Mercedes G Series, knowing full well the only way the dust is coming off the 3 locking diff switches is when the car hits the weekly car wash and the dash gets wiped down.

The tires seems pretty low profile as well.

I'm shocked (SHOCKED!), that I have yet to see one of those lifted, with grabby tires, lights, bars, snorkels, etc.
No snorkels, but that thing does come with a 6x6 option.
Which, if you are going for max mall crawler creds, would be obligatory.

It is somewhat impressive at how serious horsepower can overcome aero characteristics that a barn would be ashamed of.

You ever ride in one? Think leather trimmed ox cart--except the ox cart has a better ride. Its a military vehicle with all the handling characteristics of a military vehicle... just slathered over with leather.
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

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Checking the limited slip differential box on the order form would have prevented this, and still given you the towing capacity you desired.
Nah, you can still bury yourself with lsd.
Been there, done that, cussed my head off... modified driving style a bit.
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It only takes a few contributors to change the tone of the entire thread. But of course you're going to get more antagonists of the 2WD model for a thread where the OP complains about getting stuck in it and "why isn't the 2WD better off the pavement???". Because it is 2WD, dummy.
To be fair, if your tires start slipping, yet you continue to the point where you reportedly bury them, you really aren't paying attention. You might be out finding tree branches, cast off car mats, etc. to try to get them under the driving wheels, but using the gas pedal only tends to have one bad result.

As for the OP, ask how many of the 4x4 folks have buried them...
If they haven't wait till they hit poor traction on all 4 wheels and stand back and laugh.
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Well, since you decided to be snotty about it, I'll just come to the conclusion that your driving style matches your posting style and really don't need to know much more.

But, I would challenge you to ANY vehicle type on any terrain as long as the two are matched, since it appears you are unable to detect your own weaknesses and I've got decades of figuring out how NOT to get stuck after having done it a few times.
One of them IS paying attention to the vehicle......

Have a nice day...
Don't hide behind my snotiness and answer the questions. When you park on the side of the road, do you check to see how deep it is? When you have three feet of travel forward before you're back on the road, do you make a game plan about how to do it?

Furthermore Mr. Awesome, if you have so many decades of experience and can drive anything anywhere better than me, why not lending a single helpful point in this entire thread. I'm sure I'm not the only one who could benefit from your immense knowledge base here but you'd rather just make grandiose finger pointing statements... "well you'd be surprised how changing your driving style can be helpful". Mind blowing advice. Really, thanks much for your input.

To dispel the idea you clearly have that I sat there and redlined the truck for 12 minutes...here is how the whole thing went down. It didn't take long for the jeep to dig down into the loose gravel. Maybe three short revs and we were dug in. SO using my hands I shoveled as much loose dirt away from the truck as possible to get down to hard packed dirt. All four corners plus between the corners and the dirt in front of the truck. I used the jack on the tow hitch to lift the truck up and put a long board I'd found by the side of the road underneath the tire. After with some pushing, brake/throttle modulation, finally got some traction and the truck got forward movement.

Lemme know if you want to come to LA and do the challenge. I'll buy your ticket
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Re: Welp...RWD Grand Cherokee's are basically useless off road

Should have dropped your tyre pressures....
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Should have dropped your tyre pressures....
There it is. Was waiting for it lol. Thas a big reason i never got stuck
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