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Old 03-13-2011, 06:27 AM
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What about GC Hybrid?

To get a better City gas millage, a Plugin Hybrid is a not to bad solution for bigger cars. Here in Europe, we will get a lot more Taxes (for Fuel and Cars) in the future because of CO2 Strategy. Manufacturer like Jeep and Land Rover will get a hard time to reach this goal - 130 gr CO2 per km (Fleet average). The V6 GC is classified with 265 gr CO2 per km.

Does Jeep have any Plans with the GC in the future? Or do we get some Fiat 500, batched as Jeep, to get the average down?
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:03 AM
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

http://jalopnik.com/#!5053639/jeep-ev-rock-crawling-the-electric-way

Chrysler even had a website: www.Chryslergoeselectric.com

Can't remember what excuses they gave for not instituting this rollout of vehicles. (besides the bankruptcy)
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:47 AM
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

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To get a better City gas millage, a Plugin Hybrid is a not to bad solution for bigger cars.
Where do the liberals that pass these laws think we'll get the electricity?

With what's going on in Japan right now, do you think they will support the building of more nuclear power plants?
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

My ZJ is a hybrid - it burns gas & tires.
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

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Where do the liberals that pass these laws think we'll get the electricity?

With what's going on in Japan right now, do you think they will support the building of more nuclear power plants?
Well, there are other ways of producing electricity, i'm not talking about to replace all vehicles tomorrow with full electricity engine.

And if we talk about worst case scenarios, what about oil and the gulf of mexico?
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:16 PM
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

I don't have a problem with oil. It's still cheaper and safer than any other currently realistic form of energy available.

I'm talking about people that think electricity is the answer to transportation. In the US, the only way we can generate enough electricity to power a significant number of automobiles is to build more coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants. Solar and windmills are just a pipe dream.

My point is that if your goal is to limit CO2 emissions, electricity is not the answer.

BTW - China is building a new coal power plant every month. Guess what the trend is in the US?
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

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To get a better City gas millage, a Plugin Hybrid is a not to bad solution for bigger cars. Here in Europe, we will get a lot more Taxes (for Fuel and Cars) in the future because of CO2 Strategy. Manufacturer like Jeep and Land Rover will get a hard time to reach this goal - 130 gr CO2 per km (Fleet average). The V6 GC is classified with 265 gr CO2 per km.

Does Jeep have any Plans with the GC in the future? Or do we get some Fiat 500, batched as Jeep, to get the average down?
yeah, it sucks when governments tax you on stupid things like how much you're polluting the air. There's a certain country with a TV tax (not mentioning any names) but they also place a pollution tax on your vehicle and it's a yearly penalty. This is one of the reasons diesels and manual transmissions are popular there. Because of less money being taxed.
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

well, we can talk a lot about if it make sense or not, but its reality that CO2 Emission standards are coming and that Companies like Jeep or Land Rover could get some trouble if they don't have any solution. I don't think Ferrari will have a Problem, if the car is 20'000 $ more expensive, that does not make a real difference.

I do like the cars like the Volt, load your battery in the night (when we have to much electricity) for short range and the gas engine for the longer distance.
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

I think after Chrysler got their asses burned from the Aspen/Durango Hybrid, they are done with any type of full sized hybrid.

Don't really see why you can't place a solar panel on the roof of the volt to make the battery last a bit longer. If your driving on a sunny day, you would not have to use gas at all and drive for miles and miles.....
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

At a risk of being flamed, the Volt is not really a hybrid in the traditional Prius sense in that the gasoline engine never ever drives the vehicle; the Volt is purely an electric motor driven vehicle. When the battery array gets to ~half charge in the Volt, the fuel engine kicks on and runs a generator that maintains the battery charge. This is an ideal set-up for "electric cars" that does not require you to always plug in somewhere.

What irritates me (and my engineering friends) is that GM chose to deploy the layout in a pure passenger vehicle sans usable cargo stowage. They could have made serious headway by introducing it in a large SUV where there is more room for the batteries and generator as well as cargo and achieved 30mpg with good towing capabilities.

As for the WK2, if anyone looks underneath the vehicle in the area where the spare tire is located you can see considerable unused space. My thinking is that there is room for a fuel tank here that would enable battery arrays to be placed in the current fuel tank areas. They could then install a small fuel engine/generator linked to an electric motor up front (or multiple motors at all four corners) with the fuel engine keeping the batteries charged...just like the Volt. I like the idea of an electric motor powerplant using a fuel engine to generate electricity. Electramotive (formerly GM's EMD) and others have been doing this on our freight trains for decades.

If anyone is impressed by the torque of a diesel, then you will be blown away by the instant and constant torque of an electric motor as a main powerplant. We'll get there, but not overnight. As for the CO2 baloney, that debunked science is irrelevant. If CO2 were a crisis as the Gore-ites claim, then selling credits to allow CO2 emission would not be allowed; follow the money on that "science".

EDIT: the current electric grid CANNOT handle the electrical demands by a charge-the-battery-overnight vehicle if just 10% of the vehicle population switched in the next few years. Washington and other governments of state, led by politicians with lack of financial, scientific and logistical skills, cannot possibly begin to understand they are putting the cart before the wheel, much less the horse.
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

I would have definitely considered a hybrid Grand Cherokee.

Coming from a Hybrid Tahoe (which got better gas mileage than my V6 JGC), it still had a 6.0L V8 that did everything I needed. (and had 50% more cubic feet of storage than this vehicle) I traded it in because this is a very cool vehicle and I expected around the same MPG. (I was mistaken) While I'm definitely not having buyer's remorse, Chrysler can do better in the fuel mileage department IF they instituted the plan they had just a few short years ago.

Hybrids might not be the answer, but. imho, they're a good step in the right direction.
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Re: What about GC Hybrid?

Land Rover is developing diesel-electric hybrids now and just introduced one in Geneva.
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